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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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spread

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hey guys ryan here i'm often asked what

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the most popular episodes of the podcast

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are

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well i think most can agree that it's

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when i step aside and let ufo witnesses

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speak for themselves

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and tell their own ufo stories this

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series is called witness accounts and we

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have just recently surpassed 20 volumes

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of the series so i thought it'd be cool

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to collect all 21 volumes into three

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megasodes for you to listen to at your

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leisure so today we start with the first

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seven volumes of witness accounts which

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includes some of my favorite stories

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ever submitted to somewhere in the skies

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including two live episodes that i

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recorded on site at aliencon in

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baltimore maryland and los angeles

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california

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so i hope you enjoy and if you have a

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and remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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hey ryan thank you for uh

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asking us to do this

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i'm vance nesbit

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but i appreciate you asking and putting

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the word out there because i love to

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hear other people's uh

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ufo experiences my experience and it was

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actually my first experience into

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anything strange or abnormal or

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paranormal however you want to

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categorize it

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but it was my first experience i was

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either six or seven years old

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um we lived in a two-story house in the

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rural suburbs of chicago

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uh what i mean by that it was an

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undeveloped urban or suburban area

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there were houses being built

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sporadically throughout the neighborhood

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but it really was not a

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fully developed neighborhood yet

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anyway

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the two-story house my bedroom was up on

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the second floor along with my parents

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and i was laying in bed and looking out

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the bedroom window

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i had noticed this

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bright light just above the horizon and

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it was through the trees but off in the

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distance but it was a relatively bright

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light

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but it was similar to that of an

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aircraft um as you see sometimes you

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know the aircraft has its landing lights

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on it's there's a lot of candle power

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behind it but

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it stayed there for what seemed like an

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odd

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amount of time

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but i didn't pay much attention to it

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because again i've never had an

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experience before

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and i remember my mother

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calling my father now my mom was in her

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bedroom reading a book or at least i can

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remember that she was reading a book and

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it caught her attention out her bedroom

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window and she called my father up from

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downstairs and i overheard their

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conversation

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of my mother saying that she's been

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watching this bright light in the sky

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for about 15 minutes and it's really not

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doing much

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and i flew up out of bed and i ran in

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the bedroom like yes i see it too i see

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it too and i was all excited as a kid

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and wow what is this and we watched it

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out there bedroom window now their

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bedroom window was more a picture window

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style so it was pretty relatively big

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ended up going downstairs and outside

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at that time the property was about one

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and we stood out in the backyard and we

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saw this light slowly approaching closer

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to us it was getting larger and larger

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but it was approaching closer to us but

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it was moving so slowly

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and now looking back on it

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from that experience

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i would guess that it was probably

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anywhere between twelve hundred to

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thirteen hundred feet in elevation above

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us but it was moving so slow and dead

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silent there was no engine noise nothing

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just dead silence

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but as this

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whatever it was craft

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was coming overhead

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none of us could identify an outlined

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image we couldn't see it as a triangle

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or a round shape or an aircraft anything

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all we saw was this

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front landing light which is now not so

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because it was aimed forward

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but as it started to approach

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overhead over our property

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this bright light came on on the bottom

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of this craft now it's not your typical

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ufo straight beam of white light

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it lit up everything

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in as far as i could see it was lighting

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up everything the neighbors house our

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our yard

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as far as i could see to the left and

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right and

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it was such a profound and

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chilling experience but it only came on

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for no more than three seconds and even

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three seconds is probably pushing and it

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may have only been one full second to

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maybe two seconds but

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looking back on it you know to count

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that's what it might have been

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the light went off and this craft just

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kept floating whatever it was because

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like i said we could not see any defined

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edges of it it was dark out i don't

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remember if it was clear or cloudy but i

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do remember we could not identify any

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edges to whatever this thing was other

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than that light on the front end of this

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thing as it was moving away

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and we watched it for a total of about

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40 minutes

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from the time when i first noticed it

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off the horizon till it just drifted off

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out of sight behind the trees and we

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couldn't see it anymore but

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the strange thing is you know i don't

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remember to this day if i ever had a

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conversation with my mom and dad about

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what their opinion was about this whole

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thing i'm sure we talked about it i just

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don't retain any information after that

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i think probably because

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all the neurons in the brain were firing

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as to what this strange experience was

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but it threw me into uh

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it threw me into this whole world to

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begin with so thanks for letting me

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share

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hi my name's kieran

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i come from the west midlands in england

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and my ufo sighting took place early

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march 2013.

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i was with my brother at the time we're

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on our way back from our weekly rugby

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session on the way back we drive through

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a place called romsley it's on the

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outskirts of our hometown house oven

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romsley's a little bit of countryside

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it's quite hilly and when you get to the

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top there's a huge open

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space and you can see from miles you can

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birmingham in the distance the city of

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birmingham

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and as we as we were nearing the top

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there's uh there's tree lined either

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side of you with the occasional

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farmhouse

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a huge

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um white light caught my eye out to my

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right hand side

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and i slowed my car a little bit but it

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was difficult to focus on the light

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because of the tree line

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um my first instinct was maybe it was

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the motorway because it was a motorway

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that runs

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slightly parallel with the road i was

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taking

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but i i soon realized that the motorway

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was in the distance i could make that

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and the light kept appearing and

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disappearing behind the trees

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i slowed my car

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not not to a stop but i slowed it uh

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dramatically

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the hill um

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my brother had spotted it too by this

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point

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as we neared the top the light got a lot

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bigger

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there was no one around um which is just

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as well because i'm sure i would have

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annoyed them driving so

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slowly

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eventually i put my i put my brakes on

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i turned the engine off

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just pulled obviously i pulled over

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before i turned my engine off

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the

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light all of a sudden became a shape

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uh at this point we were at the top of

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romsley so it's that big open space i

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mentioned earlier

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um the

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the craft

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i would say no more than a thousand feet

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high and it was triangular

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at first i thought it was rectangular i

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remember saying to my brother um

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you know it's it's it's oblong it's

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rectangular

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and he was right

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as my eyes

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focused on the shape a little bit more

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it became triangular

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we sat there probably for about

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10 seconds

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staring at this thing going past us um

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if i'd have carried on driving at 30

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miles an hour

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we would have

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outrun it

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easily it was it was quite literally

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just cruising through the sky

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um the lights

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at this point there were two lights they

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were at the rear corners of the craft

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there was no light in the center and no

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light at the front

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as is common with triangular crafts that

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i've looked into before and since my

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two lights were at the rear corners

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silence of the craft

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obviously we're near birmingham city

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center so we get a lot of

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we also get a lot of helicopters flying

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around police helicopters and that and

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these were

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you know these fly a much higher

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altitude than this craft was

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and you can hear them you know sometimes

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you can hear planes but you can't see

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them

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this thing was silent definitely silent

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um there was no one else around it was

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about like so it's about quarter to ten

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um quiet part of the road

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and

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there was not a noise to be heard

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my engine was off at this point

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um my window was down

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and we just could not hear a thing

294
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um that was

295
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very very disturbing actually just

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watching this thing this huge i'd say

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i'd say the craft was probably around

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about

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a little smaller than a football pitch

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that's a soccer pitch to any american

301
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listeners

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a little smaller

303
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it was

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for that size you'd think there would be

305
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a noise but there really wasn't i have

306
00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:51,519
to emphasize the fact that there was no

307
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eventually the craft did start to go

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past us

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um

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i remember

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me and my brother constantly asking each

312
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other you know what what the hell is

313
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this thing

314
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we're both

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after ourselves but this

316
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this incident really scared us we were i

317
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remember

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i i began crying i don't know why i'm

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not ashamed to admit i i i began

320
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to cry um shortly followed by my brother

321
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actually he began to cry and neither of

322
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us knew why we couldn't explain

323
00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:31,839
um why we were crying but we were scared

324
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he was he was petrifying

325
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i'm not a huge

326
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fan of aviation i don't

327
00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:41,040
follow planes i don't follow anything

328
00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:42,880
like that but

329
00:12:47,829 --> 00:12:45,440
i could tell that it was something that

330
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i'd never heard of or seen or

331
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knew was out there really

332
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the

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craft eventually started to take over us

334
00:13:00,629 --> 00:12:57,680
um at which point i started my engine

335
00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,639
and began following it we began going

336
00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:02,720
back down the hill

337
00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:06,079
and the tree line began to appear again

338
00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:08,959
and it kind of disappeared behind the

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trees

340
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and we could still see the light

341
00:13:16,150 --> 00:13:14,959
probably for another 200 yards 250 yards

342
00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:16,160
and the light

343
00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:17,440
eventually

344
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vanished and there was nothing there

345
00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:22,160
um

346
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we were still

347
00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:25,120
very scared i remember actually at the

348
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point

349
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of beginning my car again i remember

350
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looking at the clock to see if the

351
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if the time was the same because

352
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as i've

353
00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:38,480
alluded to previously i do research a

354
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,000
lot of this stuff

355
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:42,399
um and missing time was on my mind at

356
00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:43,839
that time i just wanted to make sure

357
00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:45,920
that nothing had happened that i wasn't

358
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:48,560
aware of fortunately the time was was

359
00:13:52,870 --> 00:13:50,639
about right

360
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:52,880
as we descended down you begin to enter

361
00:13:57,509 --> 00:13:55,600
our hometown of halzowing

362
00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:57,519
becomes a bit more

363
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:59,360
populated

364
00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,639
houses

365
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either side of you

366
00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:04,000
and in the distance you can see the

367
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:04,959
church

368
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:07,680
spire of house oven

369
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:10,079
what was interesting was as we

370
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:12,000
were

371
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:14,560
right right on the outskirts of the town

372
00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:16,560
we saw this bright light in the sky just

373
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,800
above the church

374
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:20,880
probably about

375
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:22,720
a mile in the distance

376
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:25,600
and this light was going up

377
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:28,720
and it was fading as it was going up

378
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,240
what was interesting about it was it

379
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:32,639
wasn't fading because it was going

380
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:34,480
you know it because it was it wasn't

381
00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:36,480
getting smaller because of the increased

382
00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:39,279
height it seemed to just simply be

383
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:40,880
fading out

384
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,360
and eventually after about

385
00:14:46,870 --> 00:14:45,440
five ten seconds it it eventually

386
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:46,880
disappeared

387
00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,120
i'm not saying that that light is in any

388
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,519
way related to what we saw i just find

389
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:53,760
it very interesting that

390
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:55,760
in the space of about a minute

391
00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:57,519
we saw these two things

392
00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:00,800
they could be related but i'm not sure

393
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:01,600
um

394
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,079
we were home probably about

395
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,560
five minutes after seeing that light

396
00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:07,920
and

397
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,680
the first thing we were both living with

398
00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:10,959
our parents at the time and the first

399
00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,600
thing we did when we walked in we were

400
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,920
still visibly shaken

401
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:17,839
um i remember having to walk my eyes

402
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,480
before i walked in to see my mom and dad

403
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,839
and

404
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:23,920
we told them what had happened

405
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:26,480
and they kind of

406
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,880
they looked at us as if you know

407
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:31,120
are they having a laugh are they mocking

408
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:32,160
us

409
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,279
but

410
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,040
at the same time you could see they were

411
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:38,000
slightly worried ever so slightly

412
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:39,360
um

413
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,120
what's

414
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,199
what pleases me is that that my brother

415
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,839
was with me at the time i'm the

416
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:46,720
the

417
00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:51,680
very rarely shows an interest in it i

418
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,360
could have a conversation with him about

419
00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:55,440
it but it wouldn't hold his attention

420
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,759
for too long

421
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,680
yeah i'm glad he was with me because he

422
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:01,600
validated everything i saw he saw

423
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:05,199
exactly what i saw he felt what i felt

424
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:06,720
and that allowed

425
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,560
people like my mum and dad i guess to

426
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:10,959
believe me a little bit more because

427
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:12,959
if i'd have been on my own they probably

428
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:14,800
would have doubted me thinking i'd made

429
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,560
it up because that's something i've

430
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,560
always wanted to see

431
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:20,240
but my brother's

432
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:22,240
my brother witnessing it as well gave me

433
00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:23,759
a lot of credence i did a lot of

434
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:25,839
credence to my story i remember not i

435
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,639
couldn't get it out of my head i rang my

436
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,320
partner at the time

437
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:31,839
and told her

438
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:34,480
what what had happened again she was you

439
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,240
know she was kind of humoring me i guess

440
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:40,560
she wasn't massively interested in it

441
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:42,000
and to this day she's not massively

442
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:44,800
interested in the subject really

443
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:46,000
it

444
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,759
whether he just didn't have an interest

445
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:57,440
in it i'm not sure whether it frightened

446
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:58,320
him

447
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,600
to the point that he didn't want to talk

448
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:02,079
about it i'm not sure but he

449
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:03,199
he was very

450
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,640
he's very quiet

451
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,799
and i felt alone i didn't have anybody

452
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,720
really to talk to didn't have anybody to

453
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:10,000
turn to

454
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,120
some people

455
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:13,520
you know lent me support of course but

456
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:15,520
it didn't quite feel like they were

457
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,640
taking me

458
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,959
as serious as i'd like them

459
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:20,799
to have done

460
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,839
um

461
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,600
and that that was the sighting really

462
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,799
and then

463
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:26,160
really it

464
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:28,079
didn't for the next few days i was still

465
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,360
shaken and

466
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,960
you know even now when i think about it

467
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,640
i just can't get my head around what

468
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,160
what it was i saw

469
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,960
um i've spoken to my brother a few times

470
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:39,039
since about it but

471
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:40,080
nothing

472
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,520
too deep

473
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,880
um

474
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,320
yeah so i mean

475
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,039
in terms of what it was i

476
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,880
i have no idea it's something obviously

477
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:50,960
i thought about quite a lot

478
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,070
was it an alien craft i don't know was

479
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,320
it a government craft i don't know it

480
00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:00,240
was definitely something that i've never

481
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:01,200
seen

482
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:02,080
um

483
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,679
you know i've never seen this type of

484
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,120
craft

485
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:07,600
on a documentary i've never seen it at

486
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,919
an airport i've never seen it

487
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,679
in a film

488
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:14,400
unless it's a sci-fi type film i've

489
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,320
never seen this this craft yes i

490
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,679
personally i'd

491
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,360
i'd like to think it was aliens because

492
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,600
that's my that's a passion of mine to to

493
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:25,120
research that kind of thing whether it

494
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:26,480
was or not though

495
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,760
i'm really not too sure

496
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:32,559
um hopefully that's giving you

497
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:35,200
a bit of a bit of an in-depth

498
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,559
um

499
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,160
into what it is i've

500
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,240
i've seen um

501
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:42,720
interestingly since that sighting both

502
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:45,840
me and my brother have seen more

503
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,799
lights in the sky shall we say than

504
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,200
i'd ever seen before that

505
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:53,440
um we both have a much more open mind

506
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:54,720
now as to what it is that we're looking

507
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:57,360
at in the sky

508
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,480
um so yeah uh that's me

509
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,000
um thank you very much for listening to

510
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:04,000
what i have to say

511
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,919
and uh i'll speak soon thank you

512
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,520
this is uh

513
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,600
scott santa i'm doing this on behalf of

514
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:13,919
ryan sprague

515
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,360
i'm 61 years old retired from the united

516
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:19,360
states coast guard and

517
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:21,679
disability retired from

518
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,679
the postal service

519
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:26,480
i was a mufon field investigator for

520
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:29,520
24 years before i opted out

521
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,230
in 1974

522
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,830
august the date unknown

523
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,760
uh i was at a drive-in theater here in

524
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,760
my local town it was my first year of

525
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,000
college not much going on that night so

526
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:47,919
i called a friend up and said hey let's

527
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,559
go see these movies which movie they

528
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,679
were i can tell you but

529
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,440
anyway at the drive-in we get to the

530
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,960
drive-in it was a beautiful summer

531
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,799
evening

532
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,400
stars everywhere

533
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,480
clear as could be just a just a

534
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,799
picture-perfect summer evening

535
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,720
well we parked in the back of the uh

536
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:08,720
drive-in movie

537
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,760
obviously looking for chicks

538
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:13,919
and uh

539
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:18,830
well just

540
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,480
uh not too long after we got there

541
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:24,320
we got some food and stuff got back to

542
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,430
again settled in i noticed something out

543
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,400
of the top of my eye and

544
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,120
before i could react

545
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,520
there was this huge

546
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,679
chevron

547
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,919
thing

548
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,600
for lack of better words i want to call

549
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,919
it a flying craft but

550
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:47,120
it

551
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,840
from the west

552
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,919
flying from the northwest actually to

553
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,240
the southeast

554
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,240
and it came just like right over top of

555
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,120
the drive-in theater picture

556
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,520
uh the screen

557
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,200
and it was

558
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,200
its speed of advance might have been 10

559
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,000
miles an hour it just seemed to float

560
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,919
rather than fly

561
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,159
uh it wasn't bobbing and it never

562
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,400
deviated from its flight

563
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,960
flight path

564
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,200
but it was entirely black

565
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,280
there were no lights

566
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:25,760
and there was absolutely no sound

567
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,280
i mean there wasn't any sound anywhere

568
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:30,720
uh

569
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,760
i could see people um

570
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,520
getting out of the car and pointing up i

571
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,679
looked at my friend mike and

572
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,000
i said are you seeing this he said oh

573
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,080
yeah what the hell is that

574
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,200
we get out of the car and we watched

575
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:46,720
well as

576
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,520
as the craft for lack of a better word

577
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,559
uh

578
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,960
after the entirety of the craft was

579
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,200
centered over the uh drive-in parking

580
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,909
all the lights went out the movie

581
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:07,029
lights in the concession stand all the

582
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,789
and and then and that was kind of freaky

583
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,200
uh nobody was running away or panicking

584
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,400
and uh

585
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,080
i could tell people were pointing and

586
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,919
looking each other like

587
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,360
trying to affirm that everybody was

588
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:25,039
seeing what everybody else was seeing

589
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,830
uh about that time um my ears popped

590
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:36,240
i mean they really popped

591
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,159
and i felt like i was in a vacuum and

592
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,320
the best way to describe it would be

593
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,080
like

594
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,960
if you were walking

595
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,880
underwater

596
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:49,919
it was

597
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,600
you can almost see the air shimmer

598
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:55,840
around you

599
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,720
and it was very difficult to focus

600
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,600
and difficult to hear anything i could

601
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,360
hear mike he was on the other side of

602
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,039
the car but i couldn't hear anything

603
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,640
else

604
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,559
you know but we kind of just stopped

605
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,080
talking to each other at that point

606
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,600
we're looking up

607
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,880
and this

608
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,480
thing

609
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,440
um

610
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,919
it was so close at least it appeared

611
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,320
that close

612
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,679
i felt like i could have picked up one

613
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,840
of the gravel rocks

614
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,840
and hit this thing if i threw it as hard

615
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,520
as i could

616
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,480
now this thing was huge i mean to tell

617
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,000
you

618
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,440
i'm guessing three football fields for

619
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:39,679
lack of a better word

620
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,159
uh it it outflanked the length of the uh

621
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,400
drive-in parking

622
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,640
uh at least it appeared to do so from my

623
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,360
vantage point

624
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,880
and

625
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,400
uh

626
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,240
it's very strange

627
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,080
and like i said it didn't travel fast so

628
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,960
we got a good look at this thing and it

629
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,480
just

630
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,880
kept on going again

631
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,120
10 maybe 15 miles an hour took a long

632
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,440
time for it to get over

633
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,159
and we stood there and watched it

634
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,960
and

635
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:14,880
about the time it got to the rear end of

636
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,159
the drive-in theater parking lot

637
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:20,320
which behind it was

638
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,919
undeveloped country back in that day

639
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,120
uh

640
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,799
when it got to that point where it had

641
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,480
cleared the back of the parking lot the

642
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,240
movie came on the lights in the

643
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,640
concession stand came on everybody's

644
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:34,480
car came on if they had it on you could

645
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,549
and i watched this thing

646
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,960
until it disappeared it never deviated

647
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,039
its flight path it just kept going

648
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:48,480
straight

649
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,799
that shimmering

650
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,279
that oz effect if you will

651
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,279
ceased when it got over the back of the

652
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,000
drive-in theater

653
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,000
and uh here's where the really weird

654
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,480
part is where does all that was uh when

655
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,720
that i watched till it disappeared over

656
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,799
the horizon which might have been 15

657
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,960
minutes 10 minutes

658
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,720
uh and then i just got back in the car

659
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,080
along with mike and we watched the movie

660
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,760
i remember at one point and we never

661
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,039
talked about it

662
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,039
at one point

663
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,480
um

664
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,799
i remember going to the back of the

665
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,840
concession stand where the restrooms

666
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,279
were and

667
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,840
nobody said a word about this thing

668
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,679
nothing

669
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:35,039
and

670
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,960
you know

671
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,720
and i just got back in the car with mike

672
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,400
we finished the movie at least i think

673
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,080
we did

674
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,400
and we left and i never

675
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,400
we we never talked about it and that's

676
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,159
what was weird i would have thought that

677
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:53,600
the whole place would have huddled and

678
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,720
gathered together and tried to figure

679
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:59,360
nobody said a thing

680
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,320
and

681
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,200
i left i dropped mike off apparently

682
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,559
and went home

683
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,679
now i have no idea

684
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,200
how long

685
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,400
that all

686
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,840
took

687
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,360
um

688
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:15,760
i don't remember looking at my watch or

689
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,039
checking and i'm just assuming that i

690
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,679
that the that this uh sighting took

691
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,039
place over a matter of 20 minutes maybe

692
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,440
it could have been much longer

693
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,559
uh that's just a guess though i have

694
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,320
no recall

695
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,720
but i do remember feeling very strange

696
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,520
when it was over top of us

697
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,480
again no lights no sound no spotlights

698
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,600
nothing

699
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,000
just black

700
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,120
well

701
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,120
i kind of forgot about it believe it or

702
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,559
not

703
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,360
and a couple years later i uh happened

704
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,240
to be in a bookstore

705
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,120
and i saw edward rupelt's book

706
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,440
the report on identify flying objects in

707
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,039
the store

708
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,440
and uh i picked that book up and thumbed

709
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,760
through it and when i did

710
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:08,000
it was like a floodgate open

711
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:08,880
bang

712
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
this whole experience came

713
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,320
emerged into my consciousness and i

714
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,480
relived it again and thought

715
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:22,470
now this wasn't a saucer or anything

716
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,400
this was a chevron as best i can

717
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,039
describe it was not a triangle it was a

718
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,520
chevron

719
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,720
uh

720
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:31,600
and

721
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:39,510
in ufo

722
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,190
um

723
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:48,000
what do i believe it was

724
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,200
i i

725
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:51,760
i really don't know

726
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:55,200
i gotta think it wasn't from here

727
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,480
uh from planet earth i just

728
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,880
from what i remember i got to think it

729
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,600
was otherworldly

730
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,720
uh

731
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
i was not frightened during the whole

732
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,799
event and i wasn't scared and mike

733
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:11,440
didn't seem to be of course we never we

734
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,840
never exchanged feelings or anything

735
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,200
so uh

736
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,960
and actually when i look back on it i

737
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,039
mean awe

738
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,200
uh that i had the uh

739
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,120
that i had the opportunity to witness

740
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,080
something as awesome as this was

741
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,840
but uh never was there a feeling of

742
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,279
threat

743
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:34,799
or uh harm now that just never occurred

744
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,559
at least that i can consciously remember

745
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,360
uh

746
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,679
and that's my story basically

747
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,399
uh there's not much other detail i have

748
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,760
never

749
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,640
uh

750
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
queried in the paper and asked for

751
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,880
affirmation from anybody else in this

752
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,159
town

753
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,279
uh especially with this

754
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,440
the way ufos have emerged into

755
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,000
consciousness of the planet basically

756
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,760
so much different now than when it was

757
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,120
when i was

758
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,360
a young punk in college

759
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,320
um

760
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,559
but now i'm i don't think it would be

761
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,799
too good of an idea for me to report

762
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,600
this

763
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,520
i'm not even quite sure how i would go

764
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,919
about phrasing the question if i were to

765
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,320
put something in the paper and ask for

766
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,480
somebody to step forward and say were

767
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,520
you there or yeah i was there but uh

768
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,039
god i'm afraid of what might come out of

769
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,279
the woodwork i just i

770
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,200
i don't need the affirmation personally

771
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:30,880
i know

772
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,360
and uh and that's that uh again the

773
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,640
strange thing is is the uh

774
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:43,919
disappearance of action or

775
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,640
remembering of the event until until a

776
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,640
little bit later when i was prompted by

777
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,039
that book

778
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,480
uh

779
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,480
so again that's

780
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,000
that's my uh

781
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,470
um

782
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,360
i thank you ryan for listening to me and

783
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,760
for taking this report and

784
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:07,520
and i hope this helps somebody else

785
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:09,010
along the way

786
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,080
[Music]

787
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:11,919
deal with the experience some people may

788
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,039
not deal with it too well

789
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,039
and i might add i have never

790
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,320
consciously

791
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,320
have no recall of ever seeing something

792
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,240
again

793
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,880
a couple of bright lights moving really

794
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,640
weird when i was in the service out in

795
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,120
the middle of the ocean yeah but never

796
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,799
anything i could

797
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,039
identify as a craft

798
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,720
but i did see lights uh in the ocean

799
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,320
or i should say in the sky above the

800
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:40,480
ocean that didn't

801
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,520
act

802
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,960
normal

803
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,200
zigzag back and forth that that type of

804
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,120
thing so that was a little strange too

805
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,720
but uh

806
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,279
anyway that's it ryan thank you so much

807
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,919
i appreciate it and uh i hope this helps

808
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:55,279
somebody

809
00:31:01,330 --> 00:30:58,640
uh deal with their event

810
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,340
and uh best of luck to all

811
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:04,880
[Music]

812
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,590
my name is brian smith

813
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:10,559
[Music]

814
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,159
i was born in 12 12 51

815
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,159
i was raised in a small town of pearl

816
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,799
illinois on route 100

817
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:21,360
about a hundred mile 140 miles north of

818
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:22,399
uh

819
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,990
i had some friends that worked at the

820
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,320
fish market

821
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,240
and occasionally i'd go down there it

822
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,070
kind of

823
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,240
warm that night

824
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,080
and uh

825
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,519
we were standing there alongside the

826
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,919
river and looking north i saw a light

827
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,279
coming down the river and i thought it

828
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:48,000
was a barge at first

829
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,200
and uh

830
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,799
i kept watching it but it didn't look

831
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,559
like a barge light it was about where a

832
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,480
barge light should have been

833
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,000
maybe a little higher

834
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,760
but it didn't sweep back and forth it

835
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,360
was just a bright point of light to look

836
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,840
at and then continue to move toward us

837
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,480
down the river toward the south

838
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,440
and i call bim over there michael shanks

839
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,950
and i said what is that

840
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,440
and he said that's our ufo

841
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,519
and i said you're kidding me he says no

842
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,360
he said you keep watching

843
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,799
it'll come down here it'll go up over

844
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:22,320
the railroad bridge right here in front

845
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,440
of us

846
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,679
he said it'll turn and it'll fly right

847
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,919
up there over the top of the uh

848
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:29,679
power tower

849
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,960
we had a coal-fired power plant in town

850
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,120
and uh one of the power lines ran over

851
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,120
the top of the mine hill there was a

852
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,320
quarry rock quarry a mine in there

853
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,080
as we watched this thing came down the

854
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,679
river came up over the bridge just like

855
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,600
he said it would

856
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,519
it turned and it and and

857
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,679
now as it's passing us it couldn't been

858
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,600
more than just

859
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,200
i don't know

860
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,679
closer than a quarter of a mile

861
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,919
i would say

862
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,080
probably close to an eighth of a mile

863
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,960
it's a railroad track right by us

864
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,320
and it went up and hovered over this

865
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,480
powerline tower

866
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,000
we jumped in my 70 charger rt and we

867
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,039
drove up a farmer's road to get to it

868
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,720
we drove out

869
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,640
into this field

870
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,840
it was a steep

871
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,679
ruddy hill that we had to go up it was

872
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,360
narrow

873
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,880
we got up there and just as soon as we

874
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:25,120
pulled into the alfalfa field where we

875
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,320
could see it

876
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,320
it started to move away towards the

877
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,240
southwest

878
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,399
it crossed over town

879
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,960
turned south and headed down over old

880
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,880
pearl

881
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,440
and we turned the car around and

882
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,519
back down the hill and we went down the

883
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,480
gasville hill spring down route 100

884
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,320
about a mile and

885
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,559
turned north

886
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,440
uh

887
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,440
turned west up a gravel road past

888
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,440
gasville hill spring

889
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,440
up onto the prairie

890
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,039
and we came to an intersection up there

891
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,559
and we stopped we started looking around

892
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,760
for it

893
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,600
we didn't see anything but stars at that

894
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:04,000
point but in a moment it just popped on

895
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,200
appeared

896
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,240
over a field not too far from us

897
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,679
uh i would say it was probably

898
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,079
might have been 100 feet off the ground

899
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,040
it wasn't very high

900
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:18,800
and we watched it and it flew a little

901
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,399
ways uh we were still looking west

902
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,960
and this disc was probably about 30 feet

903
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,800
in diameter

904
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,200
brilliant white to look at never made a

905
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,720
sound

906
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,320
and it flew off towards the south

907
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,760
and over time

908
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,919
i learned that it came through

909
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
three to four times a week around

910
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,359
midnight

911
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,960
and we chased it several more times

912
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,320
after that

913
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,639
but one night i was with uh

914
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,599
another friend of mine in his mom's car

915
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,679
leslie island

916
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,200
and uh we was coming from the roller

917
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,440
skating rink that night

918
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,040
and he didn't know about this thing i

919
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,720
hadn't told him

920
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,640
and we was pulling into town and i saw

921
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,880
it hovering over the uh it's about 11 30

922
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,599
at night saw it hovering over the tower

923
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,520
and i told him i said get i said just

924
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,640
inside the

925
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,320
sandbags here

926
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,000
there's a levee

927
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,320
that goes around the town

928
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,000
i said pull over we'll get out and we'll

929
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,320
watch this thing

930
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,599
so we got out of the car and we're

931
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,960
standing there watching it we're right

932
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,720
in the town limits

933
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,720
pearl's not very big had a population of

934
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,520
around 500 back then

935
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,119
uh

936
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,480
and it looked to me like the light was

937
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,760
getting bigger

938
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,359
but it wasn't it was coming straight at

939
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:35,920
us and it flew down and hovered just

940
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,640
i don't know maybe

941
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,960
four five six feet above the road right

942
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,760
in front of us just a few steps from us

943
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,520
and was looking toward the east at this

944
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,240
point it had a black area

945
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,640
it was narrower at the top

946
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,119
wider at the bottom

947
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,720
and uh

948
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,200
i don't know i would say it was

949
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,680
i'm gonna say it was 30 feet across but

950
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:02,800
it was a deep dish saucer it wasn't thin

951
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,390
and uh

952
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,160
i was standing there kind of mesmerized

953
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,800
by it i thought oh it's beautiful

954
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,280
and butch was

955
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:17,200
frightened by it he jumped in the car

956
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,400
and

957
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,240
in his excitement he put it in drive

958
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,079
instead of reverse

959
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,920
i just barely got out of the way and i

960
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,640
jumped in the car on the move and by the

961
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,079
time i got the door

962
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,160
shut and he hit the brakes i looked

963
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,359
through the windshield and i was looking

964
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,720
straight up at this thing just a few

965
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,960
feet above the uh

966
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,119
car

967
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,960
and it just never made a sound it just

968
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,400
lifted up

969
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,400
went towards the south

970
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,920
on the same route that i'd seen it go

971
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:46,560
before and it just flew away

972
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,270
and uh

973
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,310
to tell my mom and dad about it and dad

974
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,920
and gina had my sister gina had just uh

975
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,520
just come in from feeding the ponies at

976
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,880
the farm

977
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,440
and they had seen it flying away too

978
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,880
and they was talking about it when we

979
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,119
got there they came in a what we call

980
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,560
the shortcut it was the back weight of

981
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,839
the house

982
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,680
we went around the long way

983
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,839
through town

984
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,960
so

985
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,400
we told him what we saw and gina

986
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,800
believed me but dad didn't

987
00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:22,480
he said oh it had to be a helicopter or

988
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,600
something i said no it wasn't

989
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,320
[Music]

990
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,760
but uh

991
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,320
that's what we saw and to me it

992
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,440
mesmerized me i i had seen it before

993
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,240
and i was fascinated with it uh leslie

994
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:37,839
on the other hand

995
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:41,280
he was spooked by it he did not like it

996
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,560
and didn't want to be around it

997
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,160
certainly didn't want to be that close

998
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,680
to it

999
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,040
it was definitely a flying saucer

1000
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,280
other than that uh that that changed my

1001
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,280
life since i had been told

1002
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,440
there's no such thing as ghosts and and

1003
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,760
we was raised in a haunted house

1004
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,599
there's no such thing as aliens or

1005
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,520
flying saucers we're the only creatures

1006
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:03,680
that god ever made

1007
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,680
and i found out that both were untrue

1008
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,000
the paranormal does exist

1009
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,760
aliens and flying saucers do exist

1010
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,119
and uh

1011
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,800
i've been investigating these things

1012
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,190
but

1013
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,560
i hope that

1014
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,880
[Music]

1015
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,640
everyone understands that when you see

1016
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:28,000
something like that whether you believe

1017
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,200
in or not especially if you don't

1018
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,119
believe in it once you see something

1019
00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:33,200
like that your life has changed forever

1020
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:36,270
there's no going back

1021
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,109
[Music]

1022
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,359
i grew up in the country where our light

1023
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,200
pollution was really low

1024
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,880
every night the sky was littered with

1025
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,920
stars

1026
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,160
and from a young age i began to study

1027
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,200
the constellations with my grandfather

1028
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,960
and my father taught me the differences

1029
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,960
between airplanes at night

1030
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,839
versus satellites and shooting stars

1031
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,400
there were a couple separate events

1032
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,480
that took place over the course of one

1033
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,520
summer

1034
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,040
the first

1035
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,760
was a pulsating light the size of a star

1036
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,680
but much closer

1037
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,560
it moves slowly from left to right then

1038
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,839
back

1039
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,680
it did this over the course of three

1040
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,160
days or rather three nights

1041
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,560
i watched it long enough it almost began

1042
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,359
to feel like whatever i was watching

1043
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,359
knew i was watching

1044
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,440
it was then on the third day

1045
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,520
that once it moved to its position on

1046
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,560
the right

1047
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,599
it moves faster diagonally down to the

1048
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,240
left then shoots off diagonally up to

1049
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,520
the right

1050
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,480
it was so fast when it disappeared it

1051
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,119
was as if nothing was there

1052
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,599
and this feeling was

1053
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,359
left over you

1054
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,160
that you just felt like you had no idea

1055
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,800
how to process like your eyes just had

1056
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:13,040
no idea what it just saw

1057
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,320
later on

1058
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,880
in about the same airspace

1059
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:19,119
another pulsating light traveled across

1060
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,240
the sky

1061
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,720
about as fast as the airplane

1062
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,359
only to shoot off at what seemed to be

1063
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,839
hyper speed again in a way where your

1064
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,720
eyes just had no time to process what it

1065
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,839
just saw

1066
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,760
it was then at the end of summer and

1067
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,680
this was in 2004

1068
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,359
that things ended up

1069
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,079
kind of crescendoing

1070
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,920
i had a friend over and we were set up

1071
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
to stargaze

1072
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,599
it was about the blue hour when the

1073
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,680
stars were just beginning to show in the

1074
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,280
sky and there was just a little bit of

1075
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,119
light left from the sun and the moon was

1076
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,079
out and we were sitting where

1077
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,560
we had a big rock garden

1078
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,480
full of different kinds of rocks that

1079
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,400
were like agates and stuff so it wasn't

1080
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,119
your normal gravel or stones and so it

1081
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,680
made a very distinct sound when you

1082
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,880
walked on it

1083
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,839
kind of like a ting instead of a scrape

1084
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,440
or a crunch

1085
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,079
and we began to hear these sounds that

1086
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,160
sounded like footsteps

1087
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,200
and we both ended up looking behind one

1088
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,319
another and saw nothing

1089
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,560
and our fear grew

1090
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,040
to the point where the fight or flight

1091
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,599
mode kicked in and we ran

1092
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:32,880
as fast as we could back into the house

1093
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,359
and then we you know ran straight into

1094
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,480
our room and my room was on the very top

1095
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,119
floor there was no way that anybody

1096
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,440
could get up to my room unless they had

1097
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,720
a ladder

1098
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:45,760
and

1099
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,000
it wouldn't have been

1100
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:52,160
really safe to do so anyways

1101
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,960
so

1102
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,680
you know there we were back in the house

1103
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,359
we felt safe we thought everything was

1104
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,480
fine

1105
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,000
and we were sitting on the bed and i was

1106
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,319
facing my door and my friend was facing

1107
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,440
my window

1108
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,880
and all of a sudden my friend she just

1109
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,839
she starts she freaks out and she throws

1110
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,160
herself on the bed her face is buried in

1111
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,240
the pillows i can't get her to tell me

1112
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,079
what's wrong

1113
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,800
and finally when i

1114
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,880
was able to kind of

1115
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,640
have her sit up and tell me what was

1116
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,760
wrong

1117
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,319
i saw that she was crying which she

1118
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,280
really wasn't known to do

1119
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,040
and so she finally told me what was

1120
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:34,000
wrong and all she could say was that she

1121
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,200
saw

1122
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,560
what looked like elongated fingers

1123
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:39,920
waving at her

1124
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,829
my name's tom i live in the uk i'm a

1125
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,319
senior consultant a planning and

1126
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,920
development company

1127
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,319
in the midlands so

1128
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,720
i've had an interest in ufos since i was

1129
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,640
about 16.

1130
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,440
as a bit of background myself and my

1131
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,599
best friend at the time

1132
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,640
were

1133
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,880
sitting on the top of my parents roof

1134
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,200
during the summer

1135
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,440
in the little village that i grew up in

1136
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,040
in surrey

1137
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,560
and we were

1138
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,880
just larking around really

1139
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,359
perfect sunny summer's day

1140
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,119
not a cloud in the sky

1141
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,359
and my friend pointed up to something he

1142
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,400
had seen

1143
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,599
in the sky

1144
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,680
and i had a look and uh it was

1145
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:32,079
essentially the classic

1146
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,680
silver disc

1147
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,760
floating through the sky

1148
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,160
probably about a mile away

1149
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,599
but very large and just

1150
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,400
just very very strange looking

1151
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
um instantly knew it was something that

1152
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,880
we'd we had never seen before we

1153
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,040
couldn't work out what it was

1154
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,760
but uh yeah it was uh it was moving very

1155
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,680
strangely it was spinning

1156
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,839
um but moving very slowly through the

1157
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,720
sky

1158
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,760
and it had this sort of wobble to it

1159
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,720
which i've since that time i've seen

1160
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,040
videos of silver discs when they move

1161
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,160
slowly they they seem to sort of wobble

1162
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,880
but yeah so that got us interested got

1163
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,599
me very interested and um

1164
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,040
i've been uh

1165
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,839
sort of researching it ever since

1166
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,400
um so yeah that's how i got into it

1167
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,359
but uh

1168
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:25,520
basically the story i want to tell you

1169
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,240
is basically one from october 2016.

1170
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,359
um i live in the midlands now but i grew

1171
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,839
up in that village i just told you about

1172
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,400
and my parents and friends a lot of my

1173
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,760
friends still lived there so i was uh

1174
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,480
i was going back at the weekend like i

1175
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,880
sometimes do to visit friends

1176
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,480
and family

1177
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,200
i'd been out around my brother and his

1178
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,640
wife's house

1179
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,560
who live about six miles away from my

1180
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:56,240
parents house

1181
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,319
um it's very uh it's very countrified

1182
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:03,839
place it's all sort of woodlands and

1183
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,880
little villages and hills it's very

1184
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:08,079
beautiful

1185
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,359
so yeah i've been watching a movie

1186
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:11,040
around their house till quite late it

1187
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,880
was i think it was about half 12 and i

1188
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,480
started sort of thinking about going

1189
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,960
home so i said my goodbyes started

1190
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:20,880
driving back the way i normally drive

1191
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,520
back down a country sort of road which

1192
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,160
is very straight which runs

1193
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,560
through the surrey hills the same thing

1194
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,880
i do i've done countless times hundreds

1195
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,040
of times in the past and as i was

1196
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,040
turning the corner to go on to this

1197
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,000
straight heading towards the direction

1198
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,400
of my parents house at the end of the

1199
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,359
straight to one side

1200
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,760
there's a field and

1201
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,680
on the right hand side

1202
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,440
and then on the left hand side there's

1203
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,040
another field

1204
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,560
but with hills

1205
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:57,040
beyond that

1206
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,400
essentially at the end of the straight i

1207
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,880
saw this orange pulsing

1208
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,040
light very large

1209
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,880
and just sort of hanging there in the

1210
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:06,160
sky

1211
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,280
it looked

1212
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,839
very odd instantly

1213
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,760
and i i was

1214
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,640
perplexed so driving quite fast down the

1215
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,640
straight as i started approaching this

1216
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,760
light

1217
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,560
i realized it was just hanging

1218
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:23,119
20 meters above the ground in the field

1219
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,720
to my right

1220
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,880
and it was pulsing it was like this sort

1221
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:28,400
of burnt orange

1222
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,440
light

1223
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,200
pulsing

1224
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,560
very very strange very strange um

1225
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,599
as i drove alongside it i could see

1226
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,920
that the light was attached to something

1227
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,440
big and black

1228
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,839
i couldn't see

1229
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,640
the outline of it i just knew there was

1230
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,440
something very large and black

1231
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,000
just hanging there in the sky

1232
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,720
um the pulsing orange light was just

1233
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,000
sort of mesmerizing uh and it made it

1234
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,640
very hard to see what was beyond there

1235
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,040
but it was um it was

1236
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,680
it was just very strange so

1237
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,599
i started sort of getting a bit

1238
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,680
flustered as you would

1239
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,079
as my mind was racing trying to think

1240
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,920
what it could be

1241
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,920
nothing was really adding up

1242
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,160
as i drove past it

1243
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,440
i slowed down wound my windows down

1244
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,319
and

1245
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,359
it made absolutely no noise whatsoever

1246
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,319
but it was just sitting there in the sky

1247
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,040
um not far off the ground

1248
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,040
uh with this pulsing orange light so

1249
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:35,839
obviously this blew my my mind

1250
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,560
i drove alongside it like i said i

1251
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,200
started driving past it at that point i

1252
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,599
was very aware that the thing had

1253
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:45,520
started moving

1254
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,240
so

1255
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,720
it was kind of heading

1256
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:51,760
parallel with my car so every time i was

1257
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,200
i looked right it was there i drove to

1258
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,040
the end of the straight

1259
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,160
quickly

1260
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,680
as you can imagine

1261
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,480
starting to sort of get a bit panicky

1262
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,359
a heart rate starting to race because it

1263
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,359
felt like this thing was had been

1264
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,079
triggered by my passing it

1265
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,920
uh this at this point it was about

1266
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,079
quarter to one in the morning

1267
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,880
um no one around on the roads so i drove

1268
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,960
to the end of the straight i spared i

1269
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,160
know these roads like the back of my

1270
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,960
hand so i was i was going very fast um

1271
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,359
to try and shake this thing

1272
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,440
because it was starting to worry me so i

1273
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,040
got to the end of the street i drove

1274
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,440
round the corner to the right there's a

1275
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,160
few windy corners going up a little hill

1276
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:36,000
but it was always there it was always

1277
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,440
there on my right hand side it was

1278
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,599
moving over hedge rows it was moving

1279
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,599
over trees

1280
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,480
only a little way above tree top height

1281
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,800
but it was always there if it was if if

1282
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,720
i couldn't see it directly parallel to

1283
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,440
my right i would look in the mirror my

1284
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,839
wing mirrors and it would be there

1285
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:56,000
and so i basically decided to take

1286
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,319
evasive action um so i took a very sharp

1287
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,520
left

1288
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,440
down this little lane

1289
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,079
which goes past a special school for

1290
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,200
kids and as i was driving

1291
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,079
towards this point it was on my right

1292
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,040
over this school this public school golf

1293
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:17,920
course on the right hand side

1294
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,520
as i shot left i thought well i've

1295
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,079
probably lost it as soon as i look up

1296
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,599
the road i notice it's above me now

1297
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,160
so i'm looking through basically the

1298
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,960
lane that i was driving down had trees

1299
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,640
either side

1300
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,839
um with a sort of canopy closure

1301
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,240
over the lane but with a tiny gap in the

1302
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,400
middle uh where you could see through

1303
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,200
the limbs of the trees and it was there

1304
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,839
it was basically hovering above my car

1305
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,079
at this point uh it was at this point i

1306
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,680
started to really

1307
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,040
gas it i could sort of feel my

1308
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,359
pulse in my neck

1309
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,880
pounding

1310
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,000
my heart was racing i was starting to

1311
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,720
sort of really panic actually it was

1312
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,280
quite quite unsettling because it felt

1313
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,599
like this this thing was

1314
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,920
following me

1315
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,800
and it

1316
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,400
to all intents and purposes that's

1317
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,240
that's the impression i was getting from

1318
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,599
it being into this field i've read

1319
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,880
countless stories about abduction

1320
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,280
and stuff like that so

1321
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,720
you can imagine what was going through

1322
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,280
my mind i just wanted to get home

1323
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,119
i mean i always thought if i saw another

1324
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,440
one i would want to stop and i would

1325
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,280
want to look at it and i'd want to take

1326
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,400
it all in

1327
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:38,720
but at this point i i wanted to get out

1328
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,559
of there um so i drove down the end of

1329
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,640
this road there's a lot of it's very

1330
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,040
windy and it was always there above me

1331
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,680
but then it sort of it fell back or it

1332
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:52,079
seemed to sort of drop back a bit as i

1333
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,839
got to this t-junction which was the

1334
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,240
last um junction

1335
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,520
before this

1336
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,559
final road which is a bit more

1337
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,319
well used

1338
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,160
towards the village that my parents live

1339
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,000
in so the the

1340
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,720
western end of the village so i turned

1341
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,640
right down there i couldn't see it

1342
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,760
anymore

1343
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,599
i was like wow

1344
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,559
what an experience

1345
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,319
but that wasn't the end of it basically

1346
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,800
i drove as i was driving down this

1347
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:22,800
straight towards

1348
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:25,760
the t junction back in the village i

1349
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,680
could start to see the lights of the

1350
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,480
the uh street lights as i was probably

1351
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,319
about 100 meters away from the end of

1352
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,160
this little straight towards this

1353
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,720
t-junction i suddenly became acutely

1354
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,240
aware that it was

1355
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,480
there was something to my right

1356
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,599
i looked right and through the last few

1357
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,720
trees lining this side of the road

1358
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,720
i could see the pulsing orange light

1359
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,800
again and it was

1360
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,599
it was coming

1361
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,079
parallel with my car again over the over

1362
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,040
the house tops because there's a few uh

1363
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,280
sporadically sort of located houses

1364
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,599
along that side of the road as i'm

1365
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,599
starting to sort of enter civilization

1366
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,640
again

1367
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,040
and um yeah i could see it through the

1368
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,920
trees parallel with me again very very

1369
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,319
low just above house top height

1370
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,960
two-story house height and it was gonna

1371
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,040
cut me up i i knew

1372
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,520
it was gonna cut me off at the junction

1373
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:24,960
at the end of the road

1374
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,400
so all i could do was i i sped up i got

1375
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,200
to the t junction there's no one around

1376
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,160
so i just stopped the car turned it off

1377
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,079
i had my windows wound down and i just

1378
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,240
waited for the thing to come over and it

1379
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,920
did it flew directly across from my

1380
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,119
right hand shoulder across

1381
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,240
and over the road and hovered

1382
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,160
at a height of must have been about 30

1383
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,720
meters above the trees on the opposite

1384
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,720
side of the road

1385
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,160
where there's a block of flats a

1386
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,720
low-rise block of flats so as in between

1387
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:00,720
these trees and these low rise block of

1388
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,760
flats and it was just sitting there but

1389
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,240
the weird thing was as my mind was sort

1390
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,800
of boggling at this thing as it flew

1391
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,680
over

1392
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,599
and making absolutely no noise

1393
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,920
whatsoever pulsing orange light was

1394
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,160
still there and it made it very hard to

1395
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,599
see what this thing

1396
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:21,040
that it was attached to was like but

1397
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,839
my

1398
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,599
what i remember of the shape was it

1399
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:26,559
wasn't a typical sort of silver disc

1400
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,240
it looked it had similar sort of

1401
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,839
characteristics

1402
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,079
but it looked kind of like a more like a

1403
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:35,520
closed

1404
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,480
shell seashell if you kind of catch my

1405
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,960
drift and on the the side of the

1406
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:44,160
seashell that would be the sort of joint

1407
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:45,040
side

1408
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,119
behind that it came across

1409
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,119
and on the side that was facing me there

1410
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,480
was this

1411
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,800
what i can only describe as a huge

1412
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:57,839
window

1413
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,800
uh some sort of viewing gallery

1414
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,680
um i mean it was probably about maybe

1415
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:06,880
eight or nine feet 10 feet across

1416
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,400
in this window i was staring at it

1417
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,319
and i could see

1418
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,480
figures there was a figure

1419
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,640
the silhouette of a figure

1420
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,960
standing at the window looking in my

1421
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,319
direction

1422
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,680
i couldn't see whether it was human or

1423
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,480
or what but it had a head

1424
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,960
two arms and a body

1425
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,480
that's all i can tell you about that but

1426
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,319
i could see in the background there was

1427
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,680
stuff going on behind this figure

1428
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,240
there were two

1429
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,240
separate figures

1430
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,079
which were doing things in the

1431
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,160
background it looked

1432
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,160
what i would sort of

1433
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,160
have thought maybe they were trying to

1434
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:50,640
they were doing things conducive with

1435
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:54,160
operating this craft and yeah

1436
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,800
as it came over like i said it hovered

1437
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,160
above this

1438
00:55:03,190 --> 00:54:59,839
these trees on the opposite side of the

1439
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,200
road i my jaw was on the floor i was

1440
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,040
just looking

1441
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,599
at it trying to sort of

1442
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,920
get my head around what what it was i

1443
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,200
was seeing

1444
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:13,680
nothing really prepares you

1445
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,280
for that sort of uh encounter so

1446
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,400
i decided to floor it you know common

1447
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:21,760
sense

1448
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,800
now

1449
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,960
i would have got out and photographed

1450
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,680
the bloody thing but uh yeah it was just

1451
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,240
one of those situations i felt

1452
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,720
in peril essentially

1453
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,720
and i just wanted to get

1454
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:36,720
back to my folks house

1455
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:37,599
so

1456
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,800
i turned right i sped off down the road

1457
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,960
i turned round to look at this thing one

1458
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,520
last time to see what it was doing

1459
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,280
and the last thing i saw of it it

1460
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,160
cruised off over the top of these high

1461
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,880
this uh block of flats lower low rise

1462
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,559
block of flats

1463
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,520
and towards the field beyond it i sped

1464
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,079
home i couldn't get out my car for

1465
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,559
probably 20 minutes because i was

1466
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,760
absolutely petrified i couldn't sleep

1467
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,000
that night when i eventually got into

1468
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:10,160
the house i couldn't sleep i was up all

1469
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,119
night

1470
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,079
i i was looking on the web on the web to

1471
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,640
try and find someone to report it to

1472
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,920
i actually found a uk-based

1473
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:21,119
investig

1474
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,839
organization called beams who i reported

1475
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,880
it to

1476
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,040
they asked me to draw pictures and stuff

1477
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,400
like that which i did

1478
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,400
yeah kind of

1479
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,119
kind of changed my life the next day i

1480
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:38,240
spoke to my parents they i sort of came

1481
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,280
down

1482
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,400
stairs

1483
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:42,799
looking a bit worse for wear

1484
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,079
apparently i was a sort of gray color

1485
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,720
um my brother had just come round who

1486
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,079
had been

1487
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,720
at his house the night the incident

1488
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,119
happened and i basically explained to

1489
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:56,880
them what happened

1490
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,079
and um yeah they they believed me they

1491
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,880
know they know i'm not one to sort of

1492
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:05,040
talk [\h__\h] essentially

1493
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,799
so um

1494
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,119
that was mad yeah that was crazy so that

1495
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,079
that stayed with me for a long time and

1496
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,480
since that time i've seen this thing

1497
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:16,960
definitely another two times

1498
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,079
but always at the same time

1499
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,160
the same sort of time period so it seems

1500
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,599
to be between

1501
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,200
half 12

1502
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,440
and half one in the morning so i don't

1503
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:29,760
know whether i was just on it on its

1504
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,359
rounds so to speak or or in the path of

1505
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,440
its rounds that it's doing

1506
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,240
but uh yeah i've seen the same thing not

1507
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,319
quite as close as that but it's

1508
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,480
definitely the same thing which i'd be

1509
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,200
more than happy to tell you about but um

1510
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:47,920
it's it's one of those areas it's um

1511
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,280
it's it's a bit of a hot spot i believe

1512
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,839
um i'm certainly believing that because

1513
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,240
i've seen these things a few times now

1514
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,040
plus i had the sighting when i was 16.

1515
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,520
my one of my best friends he got some

1516
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,680
good footage of these orbs which hang

1517
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,920
out under the thunder clouds

1518
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,400
um just down the road from there

1519
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,160
there's there's a lot of stuff going on

1520
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,640
in that area but um yeah so that's

1521
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,119
that's the the main story i'd have to

1522
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,720
tell and um you know it blew my mind

1523
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:20,720
and has only sort of

1524
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:23,599
made me more uh interested in the

1525
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,119
subject if i was to give my

1526
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,839
opinion as to what it was whether it was

1527
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:31,520
et or

1528
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:35,599
or one of ours i don't believe

1529
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,559
we've got that sort of stuff i mean it's

1530
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,200
not impossible but

1531
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,480
i just don't buy it to fly it

1532
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,319
so bold as brass

1533
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,839
and so

1534
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,200
blatantly

1535
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,960
it just doesn't make sense that it would

1536
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,240
be one of ours

1537
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,040
plus we've got our military

1538
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,760
is pretty poor nowadays

1539
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,119
so

1540
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,799
i don't know i just don't think we'd

1541
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,359
have that sort of stuff going on and the

1542
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,760
fact that it just made no noise

1543
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,400
no obvious means of propulsion very odd

1544
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,599
looking

1545
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:11,839
and very dark

1546
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,559
color almost like it was kind of dark

1547
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:16,799
for a reason you know kind of blended in

1548
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,750
so probably

1549
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,960
20 years ago i was living in my hometown

1550
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,839
which

1551
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,720
is a in a fairly rural area

1552
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:32,880
it's it's you know the town is is

1553
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,839
getting bigger but the area is rural and

1554
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,319
uh i had reconnected with my best friend

1555
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,319
from high school and was working with

1556
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,480
him and one day we were talking about

1557
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,440
paranormal stuff around the area and he

1558
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,760
said hey do you know so-and-so well it

1559
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,680
sounds so real good friend of my dad's

1560
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,400
uh we'd known the family forever and he

1561
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,920
said there's something happening out

1562
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,079
near his place and i'm like what and

1563
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,359
they said well people have seen all

1564
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,119
sorts of things heard all sorts of

1565
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,440
things and there are these lights that

1566
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,920
nobody can explain well we decided that

1567
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,960
we would head out to that area not too

1568
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,000
far from their place was a cemetery and

1569
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,760
we went out and parked at the cemetery

1570
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,640
and got out and i will be real honest i

1571
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,359
don't remember how many times we went

1572
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,599
out there before i saw something i know

1573
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,520
it wasn't very many the night that i

1574
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,960
first saw something it was one of those

1575
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,040
huge bright

1576
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:29,839
full moons and it was

1577
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,559
late summer i think man it was gorgeous

1578
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,559
just bright i mean almost daylight

1579
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,880
bright that kind of moon standing out in

1580
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,559
the middle of the cemetery all of a

1581
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:41,359
sudden this light i don't know any other

1582
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:44,480
way to describe it than this light came

1583
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,520
on

1584
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:47,040
it just

1585
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,240
clicked

1586
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:49,520
there was no

1587
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:55,440
suddenly

1588
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,760
this huge quite pearl in the sky uh it

1589
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,000
wasn't right next to the moon but it was

1590
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,559
fairly near near enough that it was

1591
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,799
light enough there was no way there was

1592
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,880
anything behind it

1593
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,119
it wasn't i mean it was perfectly still

1594
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,440
so of course it wasn't a plane it wasn't

1595
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:14,319
a

1596
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:21,440
nothing

1597
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,400
at all and it hung there for

1598
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,559
i think this one was just a few seconds

1599
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,520
and just went out no fading no breaking

1600
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,920
up no nothing just clicked on clicked

1601
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,480
off i had never seen anything like it

1602
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,119
before in my life and i've seen so many

1603
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,559
different things

1604
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,000
you know every kind of aircraft every

1605
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,640
kind of of satellite every kind you know

1606
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:46,640
everything you'd imagine i've seen this

1607
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,680
was big you know if you'd held a dime up

1608
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,880
to it it was like size from my point of

1609
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,799
view i couldn't tell how far away it was

1610
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,119
i couldn't tell anything like that but

1611
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,280
it was a light a light not attached to

1612
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,440
anything a light not part of anything

1613
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,160
just a light in in the times that i went

1614
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,359
back i saw multiple i saw

1615
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,319
one or two or three i saw three come on

1616
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:12,160
at once and then go off at once at the

1617
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,760
exact same time i saw them pop on one at

1618
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,480
a time and by the time the last one in a

1619
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:20,720
row had gone on the first one was going

1620
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:24,160
off not synchronized but in that kind of

1621
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,319
of staged effect never once ever did i

1622
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,760
see any place that this stuff came from

1623
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,680
any sort of

1624
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,200
there wasn't anything it was just a

1625
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,839
light that just turned on and turned off

1626
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,520
sometimes they were smaller sometimes

1627
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:42,000
they were larger sometimes there was one

1628
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,359
sometimes there was

1629
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,319
five or six sometimes it would be

1630
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:49,200
minutes in between lights sometimes it

1631
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,079
would be

1632
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,960
seconds i've even seen it where lights

1633
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,599
would come on go off and then it was

1634
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,000
half an hour an hour before more came on

1635
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:00,480
so after having experienced this

1636
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,480
multiple times i was at a conference and

1637
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:07,440
talked to someone who was giving a talk

1638
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,240
on phenomenon around the world one of

1639
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:12,640
the phenomenon that was mentioned rang a

1640
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,920
bell so i connected with this guy and

1641
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:17,280
realized that we were talking about the

1642
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,559
same thing and after that i was invited

1643
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,680
to actually go on the property where

1644
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,240
most of the activity had been now there

1645
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,079
were other things that other people saw

1646
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,079
but the lights were the main thing that

1647
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:32,799
i saw i saw little things but the

1648
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,319
gentleman who uh spoke that i connected

1649
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,400
with had been out there multiple times

1650
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,079
was out there multiple times while i was

1651
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,440
out there did a considerable amount of

1652
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,359
research working

1653
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,720
testing

1654
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,280
everything you can imagine and had not

1655
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:51,520
the last time that i was there and saw

1656
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,400
him

1657
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,760
had not come up with anything other

1658
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:55,200
people had apparently been out there and

1659
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:56,400
had not been able to come up with

1660
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,280
anything

1661
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,920
so definitely not something that's easy

1662
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,160
to make sense of or to figure out it

1663
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,039
would go away for months i think it's

1664
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,839
gone away for years at a time and then

1665
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,160
it would come back last for years and go

1666
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:12,720
away last for months and go away

1667
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,440
there was no predicting it all times of

1668
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:18,319
year all times of night from early dark

1669
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:19,119
to

1670
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,480
early in the morning i've had the

1671
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,640
privilege to see it i can't even tell

1672
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,640
you how many times we were going out

1673
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,520
there every weekend for for several

1674
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,240
years i can't explain

1675
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,359
what this phenomenon meant to me or did

1676
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:36,160
to me i would walk down into

1677
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:39,839
the field by myself and just look up and

1678
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:44,240
watch these lights i felt something i

1679
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,200
felt

1680
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,960
i'm not saying these were aliens

1681
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,160
absolutely not at all it didn't even

1682
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,240
seem like that although people had

1683
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,559
experiences with craft and things of

1684
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:57,200
that nature in this whole area not just

1685
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,359
this land but this felt in my soul like

1686
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:03,280
an intelligence reaching out to me it

1687
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:07,920
was profound it was magical it was it

1688
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,960
moved me to my very core then and the

1689
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:13,359
thought of it can move me to my very

1690
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:14,240
core

1691
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:16,799
now just a bunch of lights in the sky

1692
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,119
but they were amazing perfect round

1693
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:24,240
pearls of light that would appear and

1694
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:28,400
disappear without a sound or movement or

1695
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,720
shadow or mark amazingly perfect signs

1696
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,559
of something that we needed to pay

1697
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,359
attention to i just wish that i had been

1698
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,680
there for the rest of the message

1699
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,680
and not just the first part it's been 20

1700
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,839
years i hope i see it again someday

1701
01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:45,599
although i'm i'm far far away from there

1702
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:49,230
now i hope that someday i get the answer

1703
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:55,750
me and my wife were both musicians

1704
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,559
um

1705
01:06:02,789 --> 01:05:58,480
we were playing a gig

1706
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,799
that night out in the suburbs of chicago

1707
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,760
and

1708
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,680
when you're driving that gig

1709
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,520
um

1710
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,200
it's probably around five six in the

1711
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,000
afternoon it was still daylight out and

1712
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,760
if you ever lived or have been to

1713
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,280
chicago

1714
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,960
you know that usually no matter where

1715
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,960
you're driving there's a

1716
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,400
a lot of cars

1717
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,400
all around you

1718
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,520
when we were

1719
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,039
driving along

1720
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:28,400
i can't remember which highway it was uh

1721
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,119
maybe highway 290 is there 290 or 295

1722
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,079
or 294 i can't remember anyways

1723
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,680
it was pretty much bumper to bumper

1724
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,280
traffic except

1725
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:41,680
the traffic was flowing at about between

1726
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,599
45 55 miles an hour and so it was a nice

1727
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,119
steady flow

1728
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,880
and we're driving i'm driving the car

1729
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,880
this time my wife's in the passenger

1730
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:52,559
seat and

1731
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,480
i look up and ahead of in traffic and

1732
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,839
i saw this black

1733
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,799
balloon

1734
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:03,119
descending out of the air i had no idea

1735
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,720
where it came from

1736
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:05,839
it was just

1737
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,720
there

1738
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,839
and it's

1739
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,240
descending towards traffic

1740
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,640
and i i kind of

1741
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,880
nudged my wife and said hey check out

1742
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:19,359
that balloon

1743
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:21,039
up there in front of us

1744
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,640
i don't know why i felt the urge to tell

1745
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:25,119
her about it but i just had this weird

1746
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,839
feeling about it

1747
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:29,760
and she looked in the sky and goes oh

1748
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,319
that's just an airplane and i go no no

1749
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,920
no not the airplane because there was an

1750
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,839
airplane in the sky i said the balloon

1751
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,920
out in front of us because this balloon

1752
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,240
was descending towards traffic and she

1753
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,559
saw it and she was like oh well that's

1754
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:43,839
weird

1755
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,480
and we're watching it

1756
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,039
and it's getting close to the cars at

1757
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,960
this point and

1758
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,319
my wife was like

1759
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:53,760
getting a little concerned she's like oh

1760
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,880
no it's gonna go into traffic

1761
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,839
and

1762
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,839
i said you know that's not a big deal

1763
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,760
it's just a balloon you know the wind

1764
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,359
from the traffic is going to blow it

1765
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:05,359
back up in the air and it's going to

1766
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,520
flip around and do its balloon stuff

1767
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,920
not a big deal don't worry about it

1768
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,760
so

1769
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,000
right when it's about to like hit that

1770
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,560
point when it's about to you know flip

1771
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,040
back up in the air i'd say we're you

1772
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,719
know a good

1773
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,080
three to four cars are back

1774
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,679
from this thing

1775
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,040
and

1776
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,920
we're both watching it waiting for it to

1777
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,239
go back up in the air

1778
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,880
except that's not what it did

1779
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:38,640
it came down

1780
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,920
and went right above a car

1781
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,400
in the far left lane

1782
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,799
and it stopped right above the roof i

1783
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,480
mean like

1784
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,040
i mean maybe a foot above the roof at

1785
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,319
the most two feet maybe i don't know but

1786
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:56,960
not that far from the roof and when it

1787
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,080
got there it stopped and it like locked

1788
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:01,679
onto the car i don't know how else to

1789
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:04,839
say it like it started tailing the car

1790
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,960
okay and you have to understand

1791
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,480
that

1792
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,920
all the wind

1793
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,799
and

1794
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:15,679
everything did not affect this thing

1795
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:18,480
it was like it was attached to some sort

1796
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,759
of

1797
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,159
you know rod or something

1798
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:23,759
that would be attached to the roof of

1799
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,120
the car

1800
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:27,440
that's how still and how great in line

1801
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,719
with this car

1802
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,719
it was it's just tailing it it was

1803
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:32,799
matching at speed remember we're going

1804
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,560
45 between 45 55 miles an hour

1805
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,080
and it matched

1806
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,719
every movement of this car going around

1807
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,799
the turns

1808
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:45,679
and right then i was just like

1809
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,279
oh man what

1810
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,199
what the hell is going on

1811
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,759
and then i watched it ascend back up in

1812
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:54,000
the air but when it went back up in the

1813
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:55,199
air

1814
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,120
was still keeping pace with the cars

1815
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:03,280
underneath it was still going

1816
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,920
at the same speed

1817
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,520
and going straight

1818
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,840
in the air i mean straight no

1819
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,360
weeble wobbling

1820
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,199
or anything like that and the wind

1821
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:15,280
didn't affect it

1822
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:16,480
okay

1823
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,520
and

1824
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,679
it went to the right

1825
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,400
to the next car over

1826
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,400
and then it descended again and started

1827
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,440
tailing the next car next to it

1828
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:29,040
the same thing as it was doing the other

1829
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,560
car keeping pace with it not moving not

1830
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,640
budging it just stayed there

1831
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,679
and

1832
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,080
after it did that for a while

1833
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:39,199
it

1834
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:43,920
kind of stopped tailing the car meaning

1835
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:47,040
that like it stopped going 45 to 55

1836
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,719
miles an hour it was like it was done

1837
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,840
with it

1838
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,840
you know and stopped going with the

1839
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:54,560
speed of traffic and at that point when

1840
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,040
it was rising in the air we drove right

1841
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,280
underneath it like directly

1842
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,520
underneath it and me and my wife both

1843
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:04,000
looked up in the air at it and

1844
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:05,040
i

1845
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,719
up close

1846
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,400
it wasn't

1847
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,600
this wasn't some light in the sky thing

1848
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:16,320
this was in broad daylight up

1849
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,520
close

1850
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,520
it was not that that high above our car

1851
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,159
when we drove underneath it and it was a

1852
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:24,000
solid black

1853
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:25,199
ball

1854
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,280
no exhaust

1855
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,440
no propellers

1856
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,080
nothing no means of any

1857
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:38,560
propulsion on it

1858
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:41,440
it was aerodynamically

1859
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,970
impossible

1860
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,000
[Music]

1861
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,480
how does a solid round ball with

1862
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,719
none of those features even do anything

1863
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,080
let alone do

1864
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,520
and maneuver in the way

1865
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,640
that it did

1866
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,480
without any

1867
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,560
kind of turbulence or air

1868
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,560
or anything affecting his movement like

1869
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:06,709
it was

1870
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,320
everything you know i don't know how

1871
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,120
else to say it kind of like

1872
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:17,199
you know like you hear about maybe it

1873
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,159
was

1874
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,679
warping

1875
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,719
the space time or gravity around it

1876
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,159
or something like that maybe there's

1877
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,320
some sort of bubble it was in that

1878
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,760
everything else just it didn't affect it

1879
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,520
i don't know

1880
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,679
but

1881
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,960
i don't

1882
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,400
that's all i have to say the only other

1883
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:38,080
thing i can think of

1884
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,120
is

1885
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,760
if it was maybe some sort of mesh

1886
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,600
material that was so

1887
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:46,000
woven so tightly that it appeared like

1888
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:47,199
it was solid

1889
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,159
like it was a solid black but even then

1890
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,600
that still wouldn't be it wouldn't be

1891
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,239
able to do what it did it wouldn't

1892
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,000
that that would me indicate maybe there

1893
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,840
were propellers inside of it but like

1894
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,600
like if it was messed

1895
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,120
a mesh

1896
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:02,800
wiring or

1897
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:03,679
or

1898
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,440
that was so tight that it appears

1899
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:09,679
completely solid and i mean it's solid

1900
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,320
black just a solid object

1901
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,640
that it would there's no way that

1902
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,800
there's no way it could do it it did you

1903
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,760
know what i mean there's no way

1904
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,679
as we drove under it and was you know we

1905
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,320
got past it and i really want i wish i

1906
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,159
could have just kept looking at it but i

1907
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,640
had to drive you know i couldn't wreck

1908
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,000
the car

1909
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,920
and i was just sitting there thinking

1910
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,320
i i didn't see that that didn't happen i

1911
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,080
was like trying to like

1912
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,159
pretend like it didn't happen and then i

1913
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,080
looked at my wife and she started

1914
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:44,239
screaming and going what the hell was

1915
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,440
that

1916
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,640
and just

1917
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:48,880
yelling at me and that was when i was

1918
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,239
like okay i did see that i'm not making

1919
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,080
that up that just happened

1920
01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:56,400
[Music]

1921
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:58,840
and we went to the gig

1922
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,480
and we went one of my my other

1923
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,840
band mates

1924
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,920
and good friend of ours was there and we

1925
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,679
looked at him and we go

1926
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,760
we think we just saw a ufo on our way

1927
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:11,760
here and he just kind of looked at us

1928
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:15,040
and smiled and gave laugh and

1929
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:16,560
that was it

1930
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,440
we just

1931
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,440
didn't talk about it after that and we

1932
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:21,280
went on overnight played gig had good

1933
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,400
time

1934
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,640
and then

1935
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:25,840
afterwards

1936
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,880
i got on the internet you know to try

1937
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:30,239
and

1938
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:33,679
i just did a search for you know s

1939
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,560
circle drones or spheric spherical

1940
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,480
drones

1941
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,920
and i found

1942
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,239
a video of this of a thing that the

1943
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,239
japanese government made the sort of

1944
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,920
drone that they made

1945
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,400
where it was a circle but

1946
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,199
it was a wire frame like you could see

1947
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,360
the propellers in the in the the

1948
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,120
different like little wings and things

1949
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:56,880
to help it move around inside you could

1950
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,560
see the inner mechanics of it it was not

1951
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,880
not the same thing as i saw

1952
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:05,040
there it wasn't solid at all

1953
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:06,239
it was

1954
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:13,280
like circle

1955
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,640
rims

1956
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,679
it was an open thing it wasn't solid

1957
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,679
black and like like i said i could see

1958
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,360
the propellers in it

1959
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,199
and this thing moved

1960
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,520
very very similar

1961
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,880
to

1962
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,000
what we

1963
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,560
saw it was the closest representation

1964
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,800
that i could see to tell kind of show

1965
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,719
someone like what we saw

1966
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,120
but it wasn't that drone

1967
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,800
there was a little bit you know you

1968
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,080
could tell that this drone still like

1969
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,159
it's it's like a helicopter or any other

1970
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,480
kind of propeller type of mechanism that

1971
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:48,640
has to obey but the laws of physics you

1972
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,600
know like

1973
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,679
there's little bobs and weaves in the

1974
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,280
way that it moves it can't just go

1975
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,440
straight up and over and down like the

1976
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,199
thing that i saw moved it was moving in

1977
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,440
straight lines direct straight lines

1978
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,280
there was no kind of

1979
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,600
i don't know how i'll describe it

1980
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,280
uh

1981
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,960
so that's the only

1982
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:09,280
anything that i could find remotely

1983
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,159
close to it and like i said it wasn't it

1984
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,760
um

1985
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:15,520
a couple other things that happened is

1986
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:16,320
we

1987
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:20,960
called the police and

1988
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,360
they got mad at us

1989
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,600
we we tried to be completely honest with

1990
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,239
them but they

1991
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,000
thought we were trying to pull a prank

1992
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,520
on them and they um scolded us a bit and

1993
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,520
they said to us

1994
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:37,199
sir there are things that we do that

1995
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,719
protect you that you don't know about

1996
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,400
and all this stuff and i was kind of

1997
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,760
like

1998
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,120
yeah but

1999
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,880
not this

2000
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:47,679
and you know that went nowhere

2001
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:50,239
i even made a report to mufon

2002
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:51,120
and

2003
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,480
they

2004
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,400
i don't know what i was expecting

2005
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,000
really to get from them

2006
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,000
they're pretty worthless

2007
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,159
because i

2008
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,199
i gave

2009
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,120
i wrote out a report for him and i got

2010
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,679
an investigator guy and i told the story

2011
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,400
just like i told you even

2012
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,480
like in the beginning i said i thought

2013
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,719
it was a black balloon at first until it

2014
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,560
moved this way then obviously it wasn't

2015
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,560
a black balloon and the only response i

2016
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:18,640
got back from the guy was oh it must

2017
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,870
so

2018
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,040
i pretty much wrote him back and i

2019
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:26,960
i don't think i was very nice i tried to

2020
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:28,960
be nice but i was like listen buddy

2021
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,239
you're you're worthless so just

2022
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,679
forget about it

2023
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,800
basically

2024
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,520
you know i feel bad for kind of

2025
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,120
being

2026
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:40,800
rude but

2027
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,239
i was just frustrated

2028
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,320
and that's pretty much it

2029
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:48,640
all i know is i witnessed a technology

2030
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,600
that did

2031
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,199
operate in a way that i shouldn't have

2032
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:52,480
operated

2033
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,520
it's

2034
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,880
a technology that to me from my limited

2035
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,880
understanding define

2036
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:00,960
the laws of physics

2037
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,520
well let me say it defied our current

2038
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,159
understanding of physics i should say

2039
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:08,400
or at least there's more to the picture

2040
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,159
than we know obviously and

2041
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,560
from that point on i i had to face the

2042
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,880
fact that

2043
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:17,840
that

2044
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,840
they can do things

2045
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:30,159
that our technology can't

2046
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,960
and

2047
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:33,679
i don't know that's enough for me to to

2048
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:36,719
you know i don't know who's flying them

2049
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,760
i don't know

2050
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:39,520
where it came from

2051
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,840
but it's not hard to extrapolate from

2052
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,199
what i do know

2053
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,040
for a fact

2054
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,520
although it's not definitive that i will

2055
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:51,760
be correct

2056
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,040
on what i think it may or may not be but

2057
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,040
we can i think i can safely say it's

2058
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,679
pretty exotic whatever it is

2059
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,199
and whoever

2060
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:03,679
is controlling it and made it

2061
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,159
who is able to do those things

2062
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:09,840
is also probably pretty exotic

2063
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:11,360
so

2064
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:12,239
you know

2065
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:14,560
the world just became a really strange

2066
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:15,440
place

2067
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:16,880
so

2068
01:19:30,580 --> 01:19:20,230
that's my experience with the black ball

2069
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:35,910
[Music]

2070
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:38,229
i have lived all my life in the

2071
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,440
adirondack park of northern new york

2072
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,760
it's kind of a quiet picturesque kind of

2073
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:45,280
place

2074
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,560
if there's one town that stands out just

2075
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:50,960
by reputation it's like placid just

2076
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,920
because it was the site of the miracle

2077
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,320
on ice in 1980

2078
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,320
other than that the area is kind of

2079
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,199
unremarkable it's it's beautiful in its

2080
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,280
landscape you're surrounded by mountains

2081
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,679
you're surrounded by trees

2082
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:07,760
and it's a lot of

2083
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,970
beauty to take in really

2084
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:12,880
[Music]

2085
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,239
and where i live it's a very

2086
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:18,480
dark and secluded place it's a town of

2087
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:21,600
about 5 000 people

2088
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:24,800
and we have an observatory there isn't a

2089
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:28,159
a ton of light pollution up here

2090
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,360
but

2091
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,679
when i moved to the town i live in now

2092
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,199
which was about

2093
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:35,600
almost nine years ago

2094
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:39,199
uh strange things started to happen

2095
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:40,719
for

2096
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:44,880
you could see

2097
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,080
this object

2098
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,480
in the sky at night i don't know what it

2099
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:52,800
was i know it wasn't a satellite and i

2100
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,520
know it wasn't a plane but

2101
01:21:00,630 --> 01:20:58,560
nearly every night you could see this

2102
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:00,640
red or white

2103
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,840
light in the sky flying

2104
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,840
usually lower than what an airplane

2105
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:06,960
would

2106
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,600
it made no sound

2107
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:10,800
it would just

2108
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,239
fly in this slow manner over the town

2109
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,719
and if you talk to people around town

2110
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,239
they would tell you that

2111
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:20,080
they had seen it that they didn't really

2112
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,960
think much of it um some friends i

2113
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:25,040
remember took snapchats are like oh hey

2114
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,960
look it's a ufo

2115
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,600
and that's kind of how many of them look

2116
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,840
at it and that's how i look at it i

2117
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,920
don't know what it was

2118
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,920
but i do believe that i actually saw

2119
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,520
this

2120
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,870
three years ago in june of 2015

2121
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,280
i was at work

2122
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,800
and it was about 10 10 30 in the morning

2123
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,120
and a friend had come down to grab me to

2124
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,280
go out for a break

2125
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,520
it was stuffy i do the laundry at a

2126
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,600
medium-sized nursing home

2127
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,760
so in the room where i am it's really

2128
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,080
stuffy like all the time

2129
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,560
at first i turned him down for it i had

2130
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,199
a lot of work to do with the time and i

2131
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,199
didn't see the point but

2132
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,960
he kind of just kept relenting he's like

2133
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,960
dude just come on outside you know it'll

2134
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,880
be fine

2135
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:17,920
so

2136
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,840
i relented and we went outside uh and

2137
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:23,600
where we take our breaks it's

2138
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,400
technically

2139
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,400
off the property because

2140
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,719
as a nursing home it's

2141
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,480
under like hospital rules so you can't

2142
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,400
smoke on the property

2143
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,159
so we're standing

2144
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,199
on this corner

2145
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,400
and there's a house adjacent to us

2146
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,639
we're just talking you know shooting the

2147
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,199
breeze and all that good stuff uh

2148
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:47,360
we always just talked about you know

2149
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,560
music or whatever was happening in our

2150
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,480
lives or whatever

2151
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,840
and all of a sudden i just looked up

2152
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,560
and the sky was

2153
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,280
it was bright blue that day i

2154
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,360
you know remember it clearly there was

2155
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:05,280
no clouds in the sky

2156
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,480
but there was this really strange object

2157
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,800
if i had to describe it

2158
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,199
it would be

2159
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,080
as if you took an egg

2160
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:21,600
turned it on its side blew it up

2161
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,440
like 300 times the size of

2162
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,440
what a normal egg would be

2163
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,880
you threw it up in the air and you

2164
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,280
somehow got it to stick and fly there

2165
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,760
that's literally what it looked like

2166
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:34,960
it had

2167
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:37,600
a white color to it

2168
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,560
it wasn't reflective at all

2169
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,280
and it was moving parallel to where we

2170
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:45,600
were standing

2171
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,120
and it was moving in that slow pace that

2172
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,520
that object we've been seeing for years

2173
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:53,199
and years

2174
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,600
was moving

2175
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,320
and we both looked up at it and

2176
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,400
we just stood there that was the odd

2177
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,199
thing we didn't jump around proclaiming

2178
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,239
hey look at this ufo hey everybody get a

2179
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,239
get a look at this ufo

2180
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:10,320
that's not what happened we just stood

2181
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:11,679
there

2182
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,639
and

2183
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:14,719
we watched it

2184
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,239
it was like i said moving in that slow

2185
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,480
pace

2186
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,040
parallel to where we were standing

2187
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:24,719
it didn't seem like it was at a high

2188
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,440
elevation but i really couldn't be too

2189
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,480
sure um

2190
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:33,280
it kind of look it was large it was

2191
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,520
really large whatever it was and

2192
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,360
we just didn't want to take a picture of

2193
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,120
it and i can't

2194
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:43,600
wrap my head around that to this day why

2195
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:46,560
didn't we want to take a picture of this

2196
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,600
was it doing something to us that

2197
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,320
made us calm that made us

2198
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,400
not even think about taking a picture we

2199
01:25:03,350 --> 01:24:56,159
had phones on us

2200
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,360
and yet none of us took a picture

2201
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:06,400
it was so weird and i still ruminate on

2202
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,400
this on it this you know today

2203
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,760
as the object was moving closer to where

2204
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:15,760
we were

2205
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,400
all of a sudden it stopped in the middle

2206
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,320
of the air

2207
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,520
it turned a full 90 degrees

2208
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:25,440
and then it started

2209
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,040
flying away from us at that same slow

2210
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,639
pace

2211
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:33,199
than it had been moving at

2212
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:34,800
whatever it was it was

2213
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,520
it was kind of nonchalant it did what it

2214
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,360
wanted to do

2215
01:25:47,610 --> 01:25:45,110
to this day i don't know

2216
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,620
how to describe this experience

2217
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,360
[Music]

2218
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,280
i haven't talked to my friend in a long

2219
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,360
time but i've always wanted to kind of

2220
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,040
get in touch with them again and talk

2221
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,199
about this

2222
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:59,040
you have one of the most incredible

2223
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,719
experiences of your life and yet you

2224
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:03,040
don't want to document it

2225
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,880
why is

2226
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:06,480
is there something

2227
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,189
but

2228
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:17,590
that sighting has had

2229
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,639
a lasting impact on me i

2230
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,360
read ufo books all the time i have a ufo

2231
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,280
podcast i

2232
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,560
think about ufos and what they are and

2233
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,800
why are they here why do people see them

2234
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:33,360
i think about this stuff all the time

2235
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:41,030
was in the sky this one day and i

2236
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,880
happened to see it

2237
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,560
and i think another interesting aspect

2238
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,400
to this is

2239
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,159
that

2240
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,400
fascinated me is lani zamora's sighting

2241
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,080
it's kind of how

2242
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:57,840
i started looking into this stuff

2243
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,719
and he reported seeing an egg-shaped

2244
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:02,880
object

2245
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,360
and i reported seeing an egg-shaped

2246
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:07,679
object

2247
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:13,760
and in kind of a way it's

2248
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,960
a connection to him in his sighting the

2249
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,960
sighting that has had such a lasting

2250
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:21,040
impact on me

2251
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:22,639
so

2252
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,790
this has been about 10 years ago not far

2253
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,320
from where i used to live i was going

2254
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,080
down this it's a long road a long

2255
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,760
winding road and the guy that i used to

2256
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,000
live with for nine years i was following

2257
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,719
him it was it was it was night okay

2258
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:42,000
i was following him he was in front of

2259
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:43,199
me

2260
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,880
and it's like it's like a pond on the

2261
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:50,639
right i've been going down this road

2262
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:52,239
since i was a teenager okay so i was a

2263
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,199
kid

2264
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,880
but on the right there's this pond and

2265
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,560
there's some houses that surround it and

2266
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,800
it's kind of wooded but you can see the

2267
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,560
pond and i was driving up through there

2268
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,320
it's like a clearing and i see this

2269
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:03,920
triangle of lights

2270
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,000
it looked like i was like what is that

2271
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,320
is that a plane but it was right above

2272
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:10,800
the trees and i was like what is it just

2273
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,080
like it wasn't it was moving real slow

2274
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,960
like super slow like and i'm like what

2275
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,639
is that

2276
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,320
and it was like these lights were like

2277
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,239
going around it and it was like an it

2278
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,800
looked triangular to me

2279
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,960
and i'm looking i'm thinking uh why

2280
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,280
doesn't this guy see you know i'm like

2281
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,120
you know i'm like he takes he's still

2282
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,120
going normal and i i pull over at a

2283
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,960
church because i roll my window down i'm

2284
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:37,280
like why don't i hear anything you know

2285
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,560
if a plane's that close you're going to

2286
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:40,400
hear it okay it was right above the

2287
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,679
trees

2288
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,600
i know looking over there you know then

2289
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:45,360
i got out of my car

2290
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:47,440
i was looking at it and like

2291
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,760
how did he not stop and that thing is it

2292
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,840
maybe everyone can't see them maybe just

2293
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,280
certain people can see them maybe

2294
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,280
they're just don't i don't know maybe i

2295
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:59,280
don't know why he didn't see that or

2296
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:01,199
maybe he just stooping didn't see it but

2297
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:02,159
um

2298
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:05,440
you know you hear about people being

2299
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,760
abducted and stuff i'm like this is

2300
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,560
weird i'm leaving and i when i got when

2301
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,000
we finally got home he was there i said

2302
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,239
did you not see that thing how could you

2303
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,800
not see that he didn't see it he did not

2304
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:18,480
even see it i'm like

2305
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:19,840
uh

2306
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:22,000
i'm not seeing things it's right there

2307
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:23,040
uh

2308
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,199
it was very big and um it was pretty big

2309
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,120
it's probably big as a house

2310
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,360
the the width of it i couldn't see the

2311
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:33,280
top i just saw the bottom part of it

2312
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:34,880
there's like a black thing but this is

2313
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,360
these um different colored lights going

2314
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:39,280
around it so

2315
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:44,790
take it any way you want to it's what i

2316
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,600
saw

2317
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:47,440
i'm not making this up this really

2318
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,560
happened

2319
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:50,800
um i don't know could it have been like

2320
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:51,440
a

2321
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:54,960
been one of those drone things i don't

2322
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:56,560
know but it's so big i really thought it

2323
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:57,679
was a plane

2324
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,320
but it um it was right above the trees

2325
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,320
and that's not too far up and

2326
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,840
it's going to make a

2327
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:05,360
no noise at all

2328
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,350
my name is joseph corey

2329
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,840
[Music]

2330
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,280
i am

2331
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,840
49 years old

2332
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,760
to tell you a story that happened to me

2333
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:25,199
when i was 22 years old

2334
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,159
at the time i was living overseas in

2335
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,679
sydney australia

2336
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,920
i married very young we had our very

2337
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,199
first born

2338
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:34,880
and we had moved out on our own after

2339
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,760
living with my wife's parents for at

2340
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:39,840
least a couple years

2341
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,400
so we moved out on our own and

2342
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,719
we got ourselves an apartment

2343
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,320
which wasn't really that far away from

2344
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:47,679
my work

2345
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:50,239
about a 15-minute drive

2346
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:52,000
in sydney

2347
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,000
this one evening like in the other

2348
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,159
evening we would i would get up early

2349
01:31:01,990 --> 01:30:58,320
because i worked a night shift

2350
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:02,000
at a gas station very similar to like a

2351
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,520
fast track in

2352
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:06,000
in this in the states and my shift used

2353
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,040
to start

2354
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:08,960
at 10 o'clock in the evening

2355
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,120
till 8 o'clock in the morning so i would

2356
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,239
get up early have something to eat

2357
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,560
and then my wife would pack me some food

2358
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,239
to take with me to work in case i want

2359
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,920
to have something to snack on through

2360
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:22,159
this through the night

2361
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,520
well i left the apartment that evening

2362
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:27,600
after saying my goodbyes

2363
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:29,520
and grabbed my lunch and started my

2364
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,600
vehicle and uh i started heading to work

2365
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,000
i was probably into my drive maybe about

2366
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:38,560
seven eight minutes into my drive

2367
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:40,000
i'd come to a

2368
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,000
a light which you know i had to come to

2369
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:45,360
a complete stop a very like a like a

2370
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:48,480
cross intersection highway

2371
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:49,600
and

2372
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,199
as i'm looking waiting for the lights to

2373
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,719
change at a distance i noticed something

2374
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,199
that was moving to my right

2375
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:59,920
above the highway bridge that i've got

2376
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,600
to travel over

2377
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,840
and i noticed that um

2378
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:05,520
am i the only

2379
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:06,480
person

2380
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:07,600
seeing this

2381
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:09,920
like like nobody else had would notice

2382
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:12,480
that i i noticed the whole thing

2383
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,840
that it was happening right in front of

2384
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,440
my own eyes that there's something

2385
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:17,920
moving above the traffic

2386
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,320
and it was illuminating

2387
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,960
some really weird strange looking lights

2388
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:24,719
the more i looked at it the more curious

2389
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:27,920
i became like this is this is really

2390
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,440
weird like

2391
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:31,199
how could this be whatever what is it i

2392
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:33,280
don't hear a sound i don't hear anything

2393
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:35,679
my window is down i don't hear anything

2394
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:37,199
it's not a helicopter it's not an

2395
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:39,280
airplane what is it

2396
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,199
so as the light changed i started going

2397
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:42,880
through the gears like a maniac trying

2398
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,360
to speed up to catch up with it as it's

2399
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,600
passing over the the bridge

2400
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,760
which it's kind of almost veering to my

2401
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,880
left

2402
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:52,800
heading in the direction to where i work

2403
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:55,040
at the service station well i got up

2404
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,600
there and it already passed i couldn't

2405
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:59,120
see it anymore

2406
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:01,840
this had happened probably between

2407
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,080
9 30 9 45 in the evening anyhow i got

2408
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:08,159
into the area and i got up ahead of it

2409
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,719
as fast as i can i come to a stop to see

2410
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:12,560
if whether it passed me or did i get

2411
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:13,920
ahead of it

2412
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:16,239
so i stopped the vehicle and i stood in

2413
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,080
the street looking around and as i'm

2414
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:20,080
looking around there it was

2415
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,920
now it's coming right towards me

2416
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:25,440
if anything

2417
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,440
it really scared the heck out of me so i

2418
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:29,520
stood by the telephone pole staring at

2419
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,040
it and it was as high as the treetops

2420
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,440
above the telephone pole as well

2421
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:37,760
like in line maybe a couple feet maybe

2422
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:40,320
20 feet above the treetops

2423
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,639
so i estimate probably about a hundred

2424
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:43,520
and

2425
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:45,280
twenty five hundred fifty feet in the

2426
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:46,320
air

2427
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:47,520
no sound

2428
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,239
okay i'm very mechanically inclined i

2429
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:52,719
didn't hear any sound nothing

2430
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,040
all i could see was lights emanating

2431
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:56,719
from underneath this

2432
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,840
this vessel confused and scared i made

2433
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:01,520
the sign of the cross i even pinched

2434
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,199
myself am i really seeing what i'm

2435
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,520
seeing but still again confused i didn't

2436
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:07,520
know what it was

2437
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,760
now it kept moving

2438
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:11,760
as i kept staring at it started to make

2439
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,920
my eyes water because i'm more curious

2440
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:16,320
and more curious to know what it is so

2441
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:18,719
then as it passed me it was heading in

2442
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,719
the direction so i figured heading in

2443
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,880
the direction to where i work

2444
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,480
so i figured if i hopped in the car and

2445
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:26,239
got there real quick maybe i can get

2446
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:27,920
somebody else to see it like one of my

2447
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,800
workers i get there and my fellow worker

2448
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,880
was outside taking meter readings at the

2449
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:33,920
pumps

2450
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,400
i drove in like a maniac

2451
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,480
car running open door jumped out i said

2452
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,320
you got to see this and the guy's name

2453
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:42,320
at the time was robin what are you doing

2454
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:43,760
what are you doing i said listen you got

2455
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:45,040
to come and look at this something i

2456
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:46,320
don't know what it is but it's going to

2457
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,159
come right over us

2458
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,840
so i pulled them away from the the

2459
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:51,360
awning of the hangar of the where the

2460
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:53,120
where the pumps are

2461
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,840
and

2462
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,360
you know right in front of us there

2463
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,360
there's the highway that cars are going

2464
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,800
back and forth

2465
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,480
i told him keep looking up it's got to

2466
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:02,159
come this way so what am i looking for i

2467
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:04,000
said look up it's going to have to come

2468
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,360
this way

2469
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,840
and before you know it it was like right

2470
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,320
over our head we're both standing there

2471
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:12,480
in shock he's like what the heck is it

2472
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,520
these

2473
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,520
lights that were eliminating out of the

2474
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:17,760
underneath belly of this vessel were

2475
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,320
like rainbow colors coming out like like

2476
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:22,000
if you took a cone

2477
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:23,679
the the cones that they put on the

2478
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:26,239
street and you shove them into something

2479
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,000
and now at the base of them these

2480
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,400
rainbow colors were coming out there was

2481
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,639
three of them on this vessel

2482
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,400
and it was just moving real slow like

2483
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,120
with the wind as if as if it was just

2484
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,679
gliding with the wind not a sound and

2485
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,360
then it disappeared into the darkness

2486
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,679
towards the city between two buildings

2487
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:46,000
above the buildings just right through

2488
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,040
there

2489
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:49,199
and that was the end of it i never

2490
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:52,400
believed in anything like this ufos or

2491
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,440
when this happened it really woke me up

2492
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:58,320
it like it really changed my whole life

2493
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:00,880
if anybody was skeptic about this it

2494
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,199
would be me if anybody brought anything

2495
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:05,440
up about this kind of thing back then i

2496
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,120
would tom you're crazy

2497
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,440
it's not true it's evil it's you can't

2498
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,960
believe in anything like that there's

2499
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:12,960
only us on this in this world in this

2500
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,360
universe and that's it

2501
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,760
but when this happened to me

2502
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,239
that is something i'll never forget

2503
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,960
it was just something very unbelievable

2504
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,159
i've been living with this for the

2505
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,080
longest time i've told a few people

2506
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,080
about it over the years

2507
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:30,560
but it's something i'll never forget

2508
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:33,360
so i tell my cousin about it

2509
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:35,280
and he thought i was crazy later that

2510
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:36,400
morning

2511
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:39,040
there was a newscast on the radio i was

2512
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,800
putting things away in the gas station

2513
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,560
mopping up cleaning up

2514
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:43,840
getting ready to

2515
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,679
leave in a couple hours so i've got to

2516
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,600
give this shift to the next person you

2517
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,080
know pretty much organized in there

2518
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,920
and i had told my cousin about earlier

2519
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,520
that night like i said he said i was

2520
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:54,719
nuts

2521
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,360
well the news newscast at six o'clock in

2522
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:59,360
the morning stated that

2523
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:01,520
they had several hundred sightings that

2524
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,320
evening over sydney australia

2525
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:07,040
where police you know people from

2526
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:08,320
hospitals

2527
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:10,239
all walks of life reporting that there

2528
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:13,440
was a ufo sighting in sydney and right

2529
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,239
there

2530
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,360
it confirmed everything to my cousin

2531
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:19,280
and he believed every word i said after

2532
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,480
that

2533
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,400
and me it made a believer of me and

2534
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:24,560
changed my whole life

2535
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,480
thank you

2536
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:29,360
i wanted to share with you my

2537
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:31,679
experience my encounter with the ufo as

2538
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:33,760
i was a kid

2539
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:35,679
i was maybe

2540
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,480
between 9 and 12 years old and i was

2541
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,960
with my parents

2542
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,639
at vacation

2543
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:45,119
at the adriatic sea in

2544
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,480
croatia

2545
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,440
on the island wrap in town

2546
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,760
wrap you can google it and see

2547
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,840
where that is and you can also see how

2548
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,280
beautiful

2549
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:58,320
this place this old town is

2550
01:38:04,310 --> 01:37:59,679
it was

2551
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:04,320
around 92 94 i don't know the exact time

2552
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:07,199
because i was there with my parents like

2553
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,880
five six times on vacation so

2554
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:12,880
i don't exactly know which time it was

2555
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,600
it was just once and i never

2556
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:17,600
at the beginning after the encounter i

2557
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,000
didn't share it right then i was pretty

2558
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,360
young and and nobody saw it next to me i

2559
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,440
was the only one looking up and the

2560
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,920
whole encounter went like between seven

2561
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,520
and nine seconds after that i looked

2562
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,719
down and

2563
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:33,360
nobody shared the the sight i i was

2564
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,520
witness this was the evening

2565
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:37,840
and we just had dinner in the restaurant

2566
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:38,719
and

2567
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,159
in this moment i something

2568
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:49,119
something flew from the right side

2569
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:52,320
into my into my view into my sight and

2570
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,000
it was so fast that i didn't even

2571
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,360
see it moving it was just so fast i had

2572
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,600
the feeling it came from the right side

2573
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,920
it came from the right horizon of my

2574
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,880
sight

2575
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,159
and

2576
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:08,159
it stopped immediately it was like this

2577
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:09,199
bum

2578
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:11,360
and then it it started to make a zigzag

2579
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,080
pattern it had made a zigzag up and down

2580
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,360
and somewhere

2581
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:17,520
and then again

2582
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:20,320
it it was so fast

2583
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:21,760
going

2584
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,760
out of my sight on the left side that i

2585
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,719
didn't could i could not follow it to

2586
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,520
the left it was just the the feeling you

2587
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:31,679
know that your eye can better

2588
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:34,719
um register register uh movements than

2589
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:35,840
uh than

2590
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:39,119
colors it was so fast i just felt it

2591
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,480
went left but it stopped

2592
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:44,960
immediately from the encounter and then

2593
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,239
made a zigzag pattern with the angles of

2594
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,159
of 30

2595
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,119
lower than 45 degrees it was it was just

2596
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:56,239
the maneuvers this this uh this thing

2597
01:40:03,669 --> 01:39:59,600
flew was unbelievable had this typical

2598
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,679
ufo shape it was burning orange red

2599
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,119
yellow light

2600
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,400
and um

2601
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:11,280
even if maybe it was a natural

2602
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:12,639
phenomenon

2603
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:15,920
anyway it was uh

2604
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,400
breaking some physical rules it was

2605
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:21,600
shattering what we knew what i'd then

2606
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:24,719
didn't knew i saw something breaking

2607
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,679
newton's laws breaking a

2608
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,920
the laws of of gravity

2609
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,040
by

2610
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,119
an object just

2611
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,199
flying angles of 30 degrees making a

2612
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,360
zigzag pattern in the sky

2613
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:38,320
in an

2614
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,119
unbelievable speed so the question is

2615
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,080
how could anything fly like that

2616
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:46,800
anything that has a mass and you move it

2617
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:49,440
in some speed you do not even can make a

2618
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,480
90 degree angle

2619
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,040
not speaking of a 30 degree angle of a

2620
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,040
zigzag pattern in this speed

2621
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,080
unbelievable and the second question is

2622
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:02,560
with what was it fueled

2623
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:06,320
what energy source was it what got it

2624
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,040
moving so fast and it stopped you

2625
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,440
remember it stopped and then flew again

2626
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,080
this unbelievable speeds

2627
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:17,199
because of this experience i still are

2628
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,480
waiting for

2629
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:20,800
things like anti-gravity

2630
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:24,719
technology and i also wait like for uh

2631
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,199
zero point energy now of course i didn't

2632
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:29,760
knew that before and i'm not saying like

2633
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:32,239
it's for sure that this exists i just

2634
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:33,840
have can now

2635
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:36,800
put it different in consideration then

2636
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:39,280
because i'm also a critical mind uh as

2637
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,119
somebody that didn't didn't make this

2638
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,199
experience this encounter i understand

2639
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,679
that he said mario i i studied physics

2640
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,760
and i cannot believe

2641
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,920
what you are saying maybe you were

2642
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,000
hallucinating or

2643
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,280
at least some other old phenomenon one

2644
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,800
you can explain on a different way we

2645
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,280
just don't know it now it was as clear

2646
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:00,880
as when you see a bird flying in front

2647
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:04,400
of my eyes it was it was burning orange

2648
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,679
red

2649
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,199
yellow light

2650
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,040
and

2651
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,280
it flew with an unbelievable velocity

2652
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:13,600
with an unbelievable speed

2653
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,639
and made maneuvers you cannot explain in

2654
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:18,560
this exact pattern and the whole

2655
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,520
encounter was like 9 seconds long

2656
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:24,239
how would you travel when you have anti

2657
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:25,600
gravity

2658
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,159
and multi-dimensional traveling and um

2659
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,920
zero point energy or something like that

2660
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,760
what that will mean for our travel it

2661
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,960
will be something totally different you

2662
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,920
cannot

2663
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,840
think um

2664
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:39,920
aligned with what we know with our

2665
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,639
rocket fuel this is amazing amazing

2666
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,320
thought imagine

2667
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,880
one day not just to be able to see

2668
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:49,040
beauty like

2669
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,669
to also one day see

2670
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,679
a totally totally different

2671
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,920
world of course i believe in in

2672
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:04,000
existence after

2673
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:07,520
after the physical death and that we

2674
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,119
cannot imagine what

2675
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,520
what what kind of mesmerizing life is

2676
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:12,960
awaiting

2677
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:15,840
us there what kind of love peace and

2678
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:18,560
whatever awaiting awaiting us but it

2679
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,520
would be

2680
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:22,400
unbelievable if even now

2681
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,080
as long as i live one day could be

2682
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:27,840
taken

2683
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:31,360
to another dimension or um

2684
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,629
on the night of 1997 i believe it was

2685
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,040
august uh i don't remember the exact

2686
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:43,600
date but i do remember it was in august

2687
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,320
and it was in 1997. uh my family was

2688
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,400
sitting down was about 9 30 at night and

2689
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,239
we were watching uh one of our favorite

2690
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:52,000
movies which was clear in present danger

2691
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:53,760
with uh with harrison ford and i

2692
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:56,960
remember this like it was yesterday now

2693
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,600
let me say this even if i was a skeptic

2694
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,080
of ufos i probably still would remember

2695
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,719
this because it stands so clearly out in

2696
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:06,719
my mind and it was such a

2697
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,480
weird feeling uh that you get so i went

2698
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,880
ahead and uh was watching this movie

2699
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,199
with my family everybody in the house

2700
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,040
was in the house watching the movie it's

2701
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,440
not like we were separated we were all

2702
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,360
enjoying family time together uh the

2703
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,239
next thing we knew the power went out

2704
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,560
and this is about 9 45 almost 10 o'clock

2705
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,800
at night and the power completely went

2706
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:30,880
out we're just like what the hell was

2707
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,280
that so my dad goes uh and grabs the

2708
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:35,199
flashlight and he's like well i wonder

2709
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:36,639
if it's just you know our section of the

2710
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,800
neighborhood so we open up the blinds

2711
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,880
and look out and all of the houses

2712
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,239
behind us the only thing that's on the

2713
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,080
street lights and street lights run on a

2714
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:45,920
separate grid so that they're on in case

2715
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,840
of a power outage uh so i was like well

2716
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:49,920
that's not that big of a deal so maybe

2717
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,239
somebody hit a power line so we didn't

2718
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,199
really think that much of it and then we

2719
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,719
went to the back at the front side of

2720
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:59,280
the house this is our living at room

2721
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:01,040
actually was butted up towards the back

2722
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,960
of the house and so you had to go

2723
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,480
through the front area of the living

2724
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,880
area and through the dining area to get

2725
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:08,480
to the front of the house

2726
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,400
and we lived really closely to a lake we

2727
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,320
lived across the street from a lake so

2728
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,040
we had a pretty much no houses and that

2729
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,520
had built on the uh the lake front so

2730
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:21,440
you could clearly see across the lake

2731
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:22,880
and the house was up high enough where

2732
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,360
you had a very good vantage point so

2733
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:27,920
uh looking out my dad's like what the

2734
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,639
hell across the lake was completely

2735
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,960
blacked out it was blacked out within

2736
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:34,880
the and that that's at least a mile

2737
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:37,520
across the lake uh from our house to the

2738
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,960
the road

2739
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,880
beyond the lake so

2740
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:42,480
we're looking around and we're just like

2741
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,639
it's completely black outside i mean

2742
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,320
there's there's no light except for the

2743
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:48,000
street lights and street lights out my

2744
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,400
area were not very there wasn't a whole

2745
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:52,639
bunch of them so it wasn't casting a lot

2746
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,560
of you know excessive like noise

2747
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:55,840
pollution

2748
01:46:01,669 --> 01:46:00,159
uh my dad's like well i'm gonna go

2749
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,679
outside and see if i can hear sirens

2750
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:03,520
because maybe maybe somebody hit a power

2751
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,600
pole or whatever transformer blue so we

2752
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,880
should be able to hear that they're

2753
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,800
getting ready to show up to clear up the

2754
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,000
situation

2755
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,560
so we step outside and it's just real

2756
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,400
eerie quiet there's not really much

2757
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,639
noise and by no means did we live out in

2758
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:18,239
the middle of nowhere this this was a

2759
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,280
very well populated area up and so we're

2760
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:22,960
just sitting there and then we hear this

2761
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:24,000
hum

2762
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:24,960
now

2763
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:28,800
hum is uh

2764
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,990
but a very very very faint hum it's not

2765
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,760
real loud this is not this is not a

2766
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:39,440
sound that you're like holy [\h__\h] i can

2767
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:41,360
hear that so well it's not like that

2768
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,239
it's

2769
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,320
you you kind of hear it but you feel the

2770
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:46,400
vibration kind of in your body you can

2771
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:47,440
feel it

2772
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,000
and i'm like you know i'm a kid i'm

2773
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,800
about maybe 13 14 and i look at my dad

2774
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,239
i'm like dad what the hell is that sound

2775
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,080
he's like i don't i don't know i don't

2776
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:57,760
know what that sound is and we try to

2777
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,440
kind of like walk around and like kind

2778
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,199
of turn our head and stuff and

2779
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:02,719
we're kind of trying to figure out where

2780
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,360
the hell this sound is coming from and

2781
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:07,760
to the right of us is another house but

2782
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:10,159
it's separated by big giant trees and

2783
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:13,520
it's about 200 250 yards away from our

2784
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:15,360
this is this was a development but it

2785
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:16,080
was

2786
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,960
a lot of open space and lots and stuff

2787
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,840
and this was a really big house but it

2788
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,679
was very far away from us and they had

2789
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,080
this separating tree line and at the top

2790
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:29,920
of the tree line you can see

2791
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,480
that maybe 40 to 50 feet above the tree

2792
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:34,239
line which the trees are probably 40 to

2793
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:35,600
50 feet themselves so we're talking

2794
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:38,960
about maybe 110 120 feet in the air is

2795
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:40,000
this

2796
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:40,960
orb

2797
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,719
a light bulb i mean like this shape and

2798
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:48,719
the the shape that i can explain to you

2799
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,600
is it was a flat

2800
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,800
plane

2801
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:55,280
with lights that were going synchrony

2802
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,600
around it they were constantly you could

2803
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:59,199
at the angle that you were at because it

2804
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:01,280
was up high you could actually see the

2805
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:03,280
lights come from one side then go around

2806
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,199
the other so it was almost like it was a

2807
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:06,960
elliptical shape

2808
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:10,320
was what really freaked me out i mean if

2809
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,760
it was just lights up there it would

2810
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:13,760
have freaked me out but i was freaked

2811
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,000
out now just a little bit of backstory

2812
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:18,400
on my father my father was in the us

2813
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,800
navy he was a uh

2814
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,639
a hall tech for the navy and so he'd

2815
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,040
been around a lot of planes a lot of

2816
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,840
ships a lot of in technology of course

2817
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,600
this is not the same era that he was in

2818
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,119
the military but

2819
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,600
you know he expects to explain what it

2820
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:36,000
is because he knows that military has

2821
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:37,360
jets and all this stuff and we're

2822
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:39,040
sitting there and we're just like

2823
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:40,400
gawking at this thing and it's not

2824
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:43,040
moving it's just sitting quietly still

2825
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,320
a very faint hum like i said and the

2826
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,480
light strobing around it which really

2827
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,159
was the big thing for all of us were

2828
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,880
like holy crap that's a ufo like in it's

2829
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,000
not one of those things where you're

2830
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,920
automatically just gonna go it's ufo you

2831
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,199
know

2832
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,119
looking at it and seeing it sit

2833
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,520
completely still and the distance that

2834
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:03,360
it was from us there was my dad's like

2835
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:04,400
that's not a plane that's not a

2836
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:06,239
helicopter and i said to him i was like

2837
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:07,440
well dad what do you think it is and

2838
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:09,520
he's like i don't know what it is

2839
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,239
he shined his light up and it was too

2840
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,320
far away to really see anything with the

2841
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,880
light but when he shined it up is it was

2842
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:18,159
almost like he was like well i'll just

2843
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:19,440
shine on oh wait a minute maybe i

2844
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:21,040
shouldn't do that so he shined it

2845
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,719
directly at it and then moved it away

2846
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:24,960
very very quickly and was like let's get

2847
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,199
in the house it freaked my dad out and

2848
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:28,960
for it to freak my dad out it freaked me

2849
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:30,239
out even more because i was like well

2850
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,760
dad can't explain it you know what the

2851
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:33,040
hell is it

2852
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,320
and so i i sat there and

2853
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:37,920
probably about four hours later the

2854
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,600
power came back on now a lot of people

2855
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:41,040
are probably gonna be like oh well it

2856
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,400
was just somebody who hit a power line

2857
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:44,320
well the problem is is i talked to

2858
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:47,119
somebody later on down the road and

2859
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,800
the person had pretty much told me that

2860
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,560
these grids are set up

2861
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:53,119
within blocks and so that the power

2862
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:54,880
doesn't go across the board

2863
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,760
they're split so from the lake to us is

2864
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,199
a power grid and on the other side of

2865
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:01,280
the lake is the power grid so there's no

2866
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,800
way that it would have knocked all that

2867
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:05,040
power there's it's impossible and i know

2868
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:07,040
where the transformer was and i know

2869
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,000
that a

2870
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,320
a single pole getting hit wouldn't have

2871
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,880
caused it all to go out at the same time

2872
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,480
so it was very peculiar and even the

2873
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:16,159
guys that i talked to that were for the

2874
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,080
power company uh this is about two or

2875
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,840
three years later i asked him i said you

2876
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,199
guys remember that year and he's like

2877
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,719
yeah because we couldn't figure out what

2878
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,199
it was we don't we don't know what took

2879
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:27,760
the power grid down we don't know and we

2880
01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:29,440
didn't stay outside to figure out what

2881
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:31,040
it was and we didn't stay outside to see

2882
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,239
how long it lasted for uh the the ufo we

2883
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,840
don't know how long it stayed there for

2884
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:37,360
so to say that

2885
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,679
the power turned on you know as soon as

2886
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,119
we went back in the house that didn't

2887
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:43,440
happen so we don't know how why the

2888
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:44,880
power was going out and we don't know

2889
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,679
how long it's lasted for as far as the

2890
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:49,600
ufo staying there and i know there's a

2891
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:51,040
couple people in my neighborhood that

2892
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,320
actually put reports out because they

2893
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,840
saw the same thing we did and we don't

2894
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,600
we don't really it wasn't something that

2895
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,719
people wanted to talk about because if

2896
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:58,560
you're like just kind of be quiet about

2897
01:51:02,470 --> 01:50:59,840
it you know so

2898
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,480
a very strange thing and i'd also read

2899
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,400
and a lot of the research that i'd done

2900
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,480
about ufos that a lot of the times they

2901
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,480
shut the power out they shut off power

2902
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,320
grids and they

2903
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,719
it's almost like they absorb the the

2904
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,440
surrounding power in that area and so i

2905
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:17,520
thought it was very very bizarre it was

2906
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:20,400
a very interesting day to say the least

2907
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,199
a very scary night and so that's my

2908
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:25,360
that's my little story of of the

2909
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,600
interaction that i had and the ufo

2910
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,520
sighting that i had and it's not the

2911
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,199
most glamorous i didn't get to see a

2912
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:33,840
being i didn't get to see you know a

2913
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,679
crap ton of structure i just got to

2914
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,440
pretty much see the lights

2915
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,280
and it was very dark of course with the

2916
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,520
power going out it was even darker but

2917
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:43,679
it was still enough that it sticks out

2918
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:51,270
so my ufo experience was quite different

2919
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,360
it was back when um

2920
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:55,679
freddie mercury um

2921
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:58,239
had passed away and they were doing that

2922
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:01,920
massive uh tribute to freddie mercury uh

2923
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:04,080
in london now the only reason i remember

2924
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:06,960
that as a kid was because i i remember

2925
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,880
the concept being on

2926
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,560
my parents tv

2927
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:12,400
anyway so it was that day when it

2928
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,599
happened

2929
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,760
it's kind of weird because it's kind of

2930
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:17,280
like

2931
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,960
it is it

2932
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,040
it's kind of like a faded memory i've

2933
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,960
only got bits of the memory i haven't

2934
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:23,679
got

2935
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:30,639
memory of the night time and the evening

2936
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:32,480
so anyway to come a long story short

2937
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:34,880
this is as best as i remember

2938
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:36,480
right now

2939
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,199
we had a landing in our house where

2940
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:41,599
there was a side window

2941
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:43,360
where it looked in between two other

2942
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,199
houses in a sense but there were there

2943
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,760
it was looking onto a street

2944
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,360
but you know if you stared

2945
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,880
straight out you would see in between

2946
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,280
two houses and i don't

2947
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:54,800
i don't know if i remember being called

2948
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,679
upstairs or how i saw it but i remember

2949
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:00,159
looking out this window and seeing this

2950
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,719
silver shaped disc object

2951
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,040
just hovering in between the two houses

2952
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:06,960
and it was

2953
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,040
the weirdest thing was there was no

2954
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:10,480
reference for it do you know what i mean

2955
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:11,360
there was

2956
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:15,760
sort of in my brain to be able to work

2957
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:18,080
out what the hell that was except for

2958
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:19,679
it did look like

2959
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:20,880
a classic

2960
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:24,480
ufo saucer shaped object

2961
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:25,760
and

2962
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:28,880
what i remember

2963
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:30,560
is

2964
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,320
um

2965
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,480
see this is where it gets really strange

2966
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,800
because i just don't remember much but i

2967
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:38,800
remember somehow

2968
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,400
we were all at aghast by

2969
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:44,159
looking out the side window when i say

2970
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,119
we all

2971
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,360
my family you know they they must have

2972
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,280
got word of what was going on or you

2973
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,679
know one had called me up and and all

2974
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,679
the rest came up to see it

2975
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,400
i don't know i really don't know but

2976
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,639
what i do remember is

2977
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,400
i remember going out the front of my

2978
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,400
house

2979
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:04,960
and there was no one there as in like

2980
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:05,520
neighbors

2981
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:06,840
[Music]

2982
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:09,280
which that was not that odd but there

2983
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,159
were no cars there were no birds there

2984
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,320
was no sound that's i remember i think i

2985
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,080
remember that i think i remember that

2986
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:18,000
there was no sound but yet again this

2987
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,480
was years ago and my memory is quite

2988
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:22,480
faded do you know what i mean

2989
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,000
but don't think there was i don't think

2990
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,560
there was any sound i'm not too sure

2991
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,239
which one of my family members was

2992
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:29,840
outside with me outside the front of the

2993
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:31,040
house i

2994
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:32,639
can't remember

2995
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,790
i think i remember

2996
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:40,320
the object that was in between the

2997
01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:43,360
houses being almost directly over us

2998
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,800
at that point

2999
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:46,639
and it was like

3000
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,199
time had frozen and stood still and

3001
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:53,280
it was just

3002
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,880
me and my family that were observing

3003
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,560
this thing

3004
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:58,320
the next bit i remember

3005
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,360
was

3006
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,960
a bit later on

3007
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:02,639
it's still light

3008
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:05,840
and i was out the back garden

3009
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:08,719
because someone had shouted us out there

3010
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:11,280
and there were all these

3011
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:12,560
orbs

3012
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:14,480
i seem to be ops i don't know what they

3013
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,520
were

3014
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,440
lots of them just

3015
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,119
moving around

3016
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:21,199
in the sky again

3017
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:22,639
i don't know how long this had this went

3018
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,000
on for i don't know how many of them

3019
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:26,560
there were it seemed like many

3020
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:29,520
very high up in the sky and it's

3021
01:55:32,610 --> 01:55:31,599
it seemed to that memory seemed to go on

3022
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,620
for a little bit

3023
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,920
[Music]

3024
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:35,119
but again

3025
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,880
i don't know how sequential this fits

3026
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:38,320
into the next part i'm going to tell you

3027
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,360
because

3028
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:41,679
i don't remember

3029
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,560
how that progressed on now maybe that's

3030
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,880
just poor memory

3031
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,199
maybe the orbs in the sky

3032
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:51,040
were not anything

3033
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:52,639
e.t

3034
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,440
you know it could be a number of things

3035
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,760
so then this is where it gets weird

3036
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,040
the next

3037
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,760
big memory that i remember

3038
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,320
is we was all in my bedroom my family

3039
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,159
and i were all in my bedroom now i think

3040
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:08,080
i'd called them up

3041
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:12,400
because this this cigar-shaped object

3042
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,679
was going past my bedroom window

3043
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:17,520
huge bloody thing

3044
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:18,320
with

3045
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:20,320
ultra weird

3046
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:27,350
i don't know it wasn't english it wasn't

3047
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,480
it wasn't like even

3048
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:32,159
i don't know what it was it was these

3049
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:34,880
weird symbols on the side it's almost

3050
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:36,960
like it floated past

3051
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:38,800
and disappeared

3052
01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:42,800
like it blipped in and it then faded and

3053
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:45,280
blipped out now again

3054
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,440
i'm sure my parents recollection of that

3055
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,520
and my sisters and my brother or one

3056
01:56:55,510 --> 01:56:51,840
sister and one brother is different to

3057
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,520
the way that i'm remembering it so

3058
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:57,840
that memory stayed with us those

3059
01:57:01,990 --> 01:56:59,440
memories stayed with us for a while but

3060
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:02,000
what was really unique was um the next

3061
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,760
day there was still

3062
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:05,440
my sister and my mum because i wasn't

3063
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,800
there said they saw more uf ufo activity

3064
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:11,199
outside our house

3065
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:13,520
and the weirdest thing was

3066
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:16,080
all these years later

3067
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:18,000
and i said pretty i can't show you this

3068
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:19,119
but

3069
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,280
my sister's got it she drew a picture

3070
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:23,119
and she dated it

3071
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:25,440
and it was a number of years ago when i

3072
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,800
asked her to see the picture this is

3073
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:28,320
like 10 years ago i asked her to see the

3074
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:31,119
picture on this picture

3075
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:33,040
as a kid

3076
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,679
she drew the ufo that we saw between the

3077
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,360
two houses

3078
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:39,119
and she dated it

3079
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:39,840
so

3080
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:42,400
that's what she saw back as a kid now

3081
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,520
the reason

3082
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:46,159
i got her to show me that picture

3083
01:57:50,830 --> 01:57:49,760
was because back in 2002

3084
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:50,840
or

3085
01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:54,239
2003 i can't remember when i was in los

3086
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:55,440
angeles

3087
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,280
i'd read this book by dr bruce goldberg

3088
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:03,760
called past life's future lives and he's

3089
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:05,520
a regression in

3090
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:08,239
regressionist and also progressionist so

3091
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:09,840
he takes people into past lives he takes

3092
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,440
people into future lives

3093
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:13,679
booked an appointment to see him

3094
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:15,440
and got

3095
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:17,599
a past life regression

3096
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:18,719
on

3097
01:58:28,070 --> 01:58:26,560
we're just talking about this right now

3098
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:28,080
with him

3099
01:58:32,229 --> 01:58:30,000
and the difference was

3100
01:58:34,629 --> 01:58:32,239
when we were all outside seeing the orbs

3101
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:34,639
in the sky and then the next most

3102
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:36,880
significant memory

3103
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:39,280
was myself

3104
01:58:47,050 --> 01:58:41,520
uh lying naked on this

3105
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:48,629
[Music]

3106
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,840
beings around me like small beings

3107
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,599
uh and i know i i remember being

3108
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:56,400
petrified and then this this

3109
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:00,790
came in

3110
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:03,599
and calmed me down and said uh

3111
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:05,280
everything's all right you know don't

3112
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:06,800
panic

3113
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:08,080
don't worry

3114
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:10,000
and i felt very

3115
01:59:13,109 --> 01:59:11,199
at ease

3116
01:59:15,030 --> 01:59:13,119
and i don't know what they were doing i

3117
01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:15,040
i don't know

3118
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,280
much about what happened except for the

3119
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:19,760
next most significant thing was

3120
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:21,520
they were telling me that i was always

3121
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:23,040
going to be watched and i was one of

3122
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:24,480
them and it was going to do some

3123
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:26,000
important stuff

3124
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:28,000
that mattered

3125
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:29,760
and i'm personifying things here i mean

3126
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:31,520
you know a lot of people listening to

3127
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:33,040
this are going to think

3128
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:34,320
um

3129
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:36,639
well you know

3130
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:38,239
it's regression you know you're just

3131
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:39,599
making it up

3132
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:41,040
you want that experience to have

3133
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,400
happened

3134
01:59:46,550 --> 01:59:45,199
and that's exactly how i feel but

3135
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:46,560
like

3136
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:48,400
the regression is said to me

3137
01:59:52,390 --> 01:59:50,000
as i got out the chair i said i've just

3138
01:59:54,470 --> 01:59:52,400
made all that up and he said to me yep

3139
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:54,480
that's what they all say

3140
01:59:59,350 --> 01:59:56,960
then in the regression the next most

3141
02:00:03,030 --> 01:59:59,360
significant thing was

3142
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:03,040
when we saw that cigar-shaped object

3143
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:05,920
coming past my window basically

3144
02:00:09,669 --> 02:00:07,520
i saw myself

3145
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:09,679
being moved into position

3146
02:00:14,149 --> 02:00:11,440
to stand next to my parents and my

3147
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:14,159
brother they were all paused they were

3148
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:15,840
all like frozen

3149
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:18,480
and i was being ushered in to stand next

3150
02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:19,679
to them

3151
02:00:23,669 --> 02:00:22,000
and they i think i must have stood still

3152
02:00:25,669 --> 02:00:23,679
and then

3153
02:00:28,310 --> 02:00:25,679
maybe i frozen

3154
02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:28,320
from whatever they did to me and

3155
02:00:32,310 --> 02:00:30,480
the next minute i just we was all back

3156
02:00:36,790 --> 02:00:32,320
in that memory of we're all in my room

3157
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:38,070
i mean

3158
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,480
it makes no sense to me what i'm saying

3159
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:42,560
except for

3160
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:46,000
they put me back there at that moment

3161
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:47,840
but then did they am i you know is is

3162
02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:48,960
that

3163
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:52,840
the

3164
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:55,679
regression i don't know i don't know why

3165
02:00:59,589 --> 02:00:58,080
i'm even sharing this story it's just i

3166
02:01:01,990 --> 02:00:59,599
think i've had too many people come to

3167
02:01:05,109 --> 02:01:02,000
me recently that are pretty serious

3168
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:05,119
people and they've seen something and

3169
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:06,560
they can't explain it and there'll be

3170
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:09,440
lots of people who have seen something

3171
02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:11,360
and

3172
02:01:15,109 --> 02:01:13,199
will never talk about it because you

3173
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,119
know they'll be um

3174
02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:17,280
they'll feel very stupid to talk about

3175
02:01:22,149 --> 02:01:20,000
it i can't really say i feel stupid

3176
02:01:24,629 --> 02:01:22,159
talking about it i'm just reporting back

3177
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:24,639
what came from the regression and if

3178
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:28,080
i've made it up well that's okay but i

3179
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:30,320
don't know i don't know if i did but i'm

3180
02:01:32,790 --> 02:01:31,599
open-minded

3181
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:32,800
but anyway

3182
02:01:37,109 --> 02:01:34,400
so

3183
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:37,119
there you go uh and there's my story and

3184
02:01:47,189 --> 02:01:38,410
i'm glad i've shared it

3185
02:01:52,070 --> 02:01:51,030
hi my name's simon tetz i'm 56 years of

3186
02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:52,080
age

3187
02:01:58,790 --> 02:01:55,119
i live in cape town south africa

3188
02:02:00,470 --> 02:01:58,800
and just to relate my ufo experience

3189
02:02:02,390 --> 02:02:00,480
that i had last year

3190
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:02,400
before i start i just like to say that

3191
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:05,360
my interest in ufos started in the mid

3192
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:06,960
1980s

3193
02:02:12,790 --> 02:02:09,760
and i was born in the uk and i went back

3194
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:12,800
to visit family there in the mid-1980s

3195
02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:16,320
and my aunt gave me a book on the

3196
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:19,599
bonnie and betty hill abduction case

3197
02:02:24,149 --> 02:02:21,679
i'd never heard of heard of it before

3198
02:02:27,510 --> 02:02:24,159
and it was a fascinating book to read

3199
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:27,520
and that got me interested in ufos i

3200
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:30,320
keep an open mind and i find it a great

3201
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:31,599
subject and

3202
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:33,520
i'm lucky to be on this amazing facebook

3203
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:35,440
group the other dimension where we can

3204
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:37,040
openly discuss

3205
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:40,239
the subject and share articles

3206
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,960
relating to it the sighting that i had

3207
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:44,960
took place on the 1st of january last

3208
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:48,400
year at 12 minutes past midnight

3209
02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:49,679
in cape town

3210
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:51,920
and i was actually house sitting for a

3211
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:54,400
friend they had they had a couple of

3212
02:02:58,550 --> 02:02:56,239
dogs and they were just a bit worried

3213
02:03:01,109 --> 02:02:58,560
that when they went out to the new year

3214
02:03:03,109 --> 02:03:01,119
celebrations that the dogs might

3215
02:03:05,669 --> 02:03:03,119
be disturbed by the fireworks going off

3216
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:05,679
so i agreed to sort of babysit or

3217
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:07,360
housesit the dogs

3218
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:08,880
for them and

3219
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:11,360
i was the house is up on the hill on the

3220
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:13,679
slopes of table mountain i just finished

3221
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:15,679
watching the fireworks display which

3222
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:18,639
just died down over cape town hobbit i

3223
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:20,880
glanced up and i noticed a circular

3224
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:22,480
shape it was

3225
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:25,360
sort of a wire frame circular shape

3226
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:27,599
sort of a two-dimensional shape and the

3227
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:29,920
color the wireframe sort of color of it

3228
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:30,719
was

3229
02:04:28,550 --> 02:03:31,440
a

3230
02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:28,560
one behind the other

3231
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:30,880
the last site that i had was was at the

3232
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:33,599
long oblong object disappearing from my

3233
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:35,920
view behind some trees

3234
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:38,000
the long oblong shape the last one that

3235
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:39,920
passed overhead

3236
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:43,760
was sort of moving on a flat plane

3237
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,239
but moving very much like those

3238
02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:48,480
ships radars the military ships have

3239
02:04:52,070 --> 02:04:49,440
these long

3240
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:52,080
oblong shaped radar devices which uh

3241
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:54,159
slowly move around and the movement of

3242
02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:56,639
the shape that i saw was similar to that

3243
02:05:00,790 --> 02:04:58,239
although as i say it wasn't a solid

3244
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:00,800
object it was a sort of wireframe shape

3245
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:03,679
to it i i guess the altitude they were

3246
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:07,119
probably between 700 to 1000 foot above

3247
02:05:11,669 --> 02:05:08,880
where i was sitting

3248
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:11,679
um difficult really to to judge exactly

3249
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,480
how high they were and what size but i

3250
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:16,800
suppose if they were

3251
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:20,960
i i guess the size is probably about 25

3252
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:23,199
foot across each object was probably

3253
02:05:28,070 --> 02:05:25,199
about that size

3254
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:28,080
if they were a thousand foot above

3255
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:30,000
there was absolutely no noise from any

3256
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:32,080
of the objects at all

3257
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:34,400
and i've never seen anything

3258
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:37,119
like this before and i i did look in the

3259
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:38,880
in the newspapers and online the next

3260
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:40,639
day to see if anything had been reported

3261
02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:42,320
anything similar i didn't see anything

3262
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:44,800
so i don't know what they were but

3263
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:46,560
i'm quite familiar with aircraft i have

3264
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:48,880
a fascination in flying and i have done

3265
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,040
for years so i'm pretty sure there

3266
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,880
weren't helicopters there weren't drones

3267
02:05:56,629 --> 02:05:54,800
there was no sound from them

3268
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,639
and it would be odd to have drones over

3269
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:58,639
that area three of them one behind the

3270
02:06:02,709 --> 02:06:00,960
other in those shapes as well

3271
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:02,719
i could imagine drones over the harbor

3272
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:04,159
while the fireworks were going off at

3273
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:05,679
midnight but

3274
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:08,159
this was 12 minutes after midnight um i

3275
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:10,080
still don't think there were drones i

3276
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:12,800
i've i've never seen anything that's

3277
02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:15,199
that's proven either way that these were

3278
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:17,440
not man-made objects

3279
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:18,719
i don't know whether they were from

3280
02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:20,560
another dimension another planet or

3281
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,400
whether they were

3282
02:06:27,350 --> 02:06:24,480
something man-made that i just don't

3283
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,360
know about when i wrote up a report to

3284
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:29,679
the south african ufo website the next

3285
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:31,679
day i did notice that there was a

3286
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:34,079
sighting also funnily enough at 12

3287
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,920
minutes past midnight

3288
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:37,280
the sighting the other sightings in

3289
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:39,199
johannesburg but it wasn't

3290
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:41,199
the description wasn't the same as mine

3291
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:43,040
i'm not sure what objects they saw in

3292
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,560
johannesburg but it was nothing like

3293
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,760
what i'd seen

3294
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:47,840
just oddly enough it was at the at the

3295
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:50,159
same time but i suppose being new year's

3296
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:52,000
eve and there'd be a lot of lights in

3297
02:06:55,270 --> 02:06:53,199
the sky

3298
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:55,280
and uh i suppose if

3299
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,360
any alien entity wanted to sort of

3300
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:59,760
disguise their actions and the new year

3301
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:01,440
would be a good time to

3302
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:04,400
bring out brightly lit craft

3303
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:07,520
anyway i have a keen fascination um it's

3304
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:09,440
it's it's made me even more interested

3305
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,639
in the subject and i am wary about um

3306
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:14,960
the reports that i read i do quite a bit

3307
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:16,400
of research on it before i make a

3308
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:19,599
decision for myself as to what it is but

3309
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:23,679
i i found that um my ongoing interest is

3310
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:27,199
just intensified now and i was just very

3311
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:29,679
lucky to have that sighting i'm not sure

3312
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:32,000
exactly what it was but i've never seen

3313
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:34,480
anything like it since then i've never

3314
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,639
seen anything like it before then

3315
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,119
anyway that was my sighting and that's

3316
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,960
what i want to report and thank you ryan

3317
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:43,199
for the opportunity to speak and there's

3318
02:07:49,510 --> 02:07:45,920
all from me simon tate here in cape town

3319
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,030
well in 1968

3320
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,000
i was a much younger man at that time

3321
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:58,960
and i was in my automobile and i had

3322
02:08:04,149 --> 02:08:00,719
taken a ride to

3323
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:04,159
a local park called seaside park

3324
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,119
which has a large beach area

3325
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:09,360
and uh at the time i was supposed to

3326
02:08:12,870 --> 02:08:11,760
meet a friend of mine who was uh a

3327
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:12,880
fisherman

3328
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:15,440
and the striped bass uh had been biting

3329
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:17,520
at that time

3330
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:20,639
and when i had arrived at the park

3331
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:23,280
no one was there at that particular time

3332
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:25,440
because usually the fishermen

3333
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:26,960
showed up at a later point in the

3334
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:30,159
morning and i i arrived very early

3335
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:32,719
and if i remember correctly the time was

3336
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:33,520
uh

3337
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:35,920
probably like around that

3338
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:38,800
uh just be just around daybreak

3339
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:40,719
even if i wanted to say six o'clock in

3340
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:43,599
the morning 6 30 in the morning

3341
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:44,719
and

3342
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:48,800
vehicle

3343
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,679
and i looked at the water

3344
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:53,840
and because long island sound is

3345
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:56,159
directly across from seaside park port

3346
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,159
jefferson uh new york is one uh

3347
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:02,400
is what i am talking about

3348
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,520
and i i looked at the water and uh i saw

3349
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,520
this uh

3350
02:09:14,069 --> 02:09:09,840
it looked like a large uh

3351
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:14,079
sphere like a ball cylinder type of

3352
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:16,079
whatever it was today

3353
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:18,079
if i wanted to say vehicle or whatever

3354
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:19,840
some type of an air

3355
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,320
air ship or whatever it was but it was a

3356
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:24,400
large ball shape

3357
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:28,239
and it was actually resting on the water

3358
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:30,400
approximately maybe uh

3359
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:33,040
400 yards offshore

3360
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,679
and uh i was kind of amazed because i

3361
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:37,760
had never seen anything like that i i

3362
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:40,239
thought possibly at the time maybe the

3363
02:09:43,910 --> 02:09:42,400
i know sikorsky aircraft is in

3364
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,920
bridgeport connecticut where they make

3365
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:45,599
helicopters and

3366
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,560
i thought possibly maybe the u.s navy

3367
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:49,920
was uh

3368
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:52,000
doing some test work on some vehicle or

3369
02:09:57,350 --> 02:09:55,199
whatnot and i continue to look

3370
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:57,360
and i did have a pair of binoculars in

3371
02:10:01,910 --> 02:09:59,840
the car i say let me get my binoculars i

3372
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:01,920
ran to get my binoculars and i

3373
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:04,880
and i uh focused in i had a 10 by 50

3374
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:06,400
binocular set

3375
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:09,360
and i focused in on the object

3376
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:12,639
and it appeared like figures

3377
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:14,480
that i could not describe there were

3378
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:16,639
some kind of uh

3379
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:19,119
some type of a uniform or

3380
02:10:24,229 --> 02:10:19,920
or

3381
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:24,239
and uh

3382
02:10:29,109 --> 02:10:27,280
almost like a deep sea diver uniform

3383
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:29,119
and uh

3384
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:31,280
they had some type of a hose in the

3385
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:33,199
water it appeared to be like a hose it

3386
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:34,639
looked like they were

3387
02:10:37,910 --> 02:10:36,320
taking something out of the water or

3388
02:10:40,790 --> 02:10:37,920
whatever they were doing

3389
02:10:43,990 --> 02:10:40,800
and all that all of a sudden

3390
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:44,000
this thing just started to ascend

3391
02:10:53,030 --> 02:10:44,960
and

3392
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:53,040
it was out of sight it appeared like a

3393
02:10:57,910 --> 02:10:55,040
little tiny circle

3394
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:57,920
in the sky and i lost sight of it

3395
02:11:02,629 --> 02:10:58,880
i i

3396
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:02,639
what the heck i had seen at the time you

3397
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:04,320
know you hear so much about

3398
02:11:08,470 --> 02:11:06,880
ufos you know so-called unidentified

3399
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:08,480
flying objects

3400
02:11:12,950 --> 02:11:11,119
i uh at that time of course we had no

3401
02:11:14,310 --> 02:11:12,960
cell phones like today today of course

3402
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,320
you have cell phones you're able to

3403
02:11:18,069 --> 02:11:16,880
communicate and at that time we had no

3404
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:18,079
cell phone

3405
02:11:22,390 --> 02:11:20,320
and what i did was i

3406
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:22,400
i drove home because my friend hadn't

3407
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,520
showed up

3408
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:26,159
and i was so excited about it i drove

3409
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:28,800
home and i i really didn't want to tell

3410
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,960
anybody you know especially local police

3411
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:32,800
authorities because i i thought they'd

3412
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:35,119
think i was crazy at the time so i went

3413
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:38,560
home and i told my wife about it and she

3414
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:40,480
told me that i should report it so i

3415
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:42,320
immediately uh

3416
02:11:48,229 --> 02:11:45,599
you know at that time called 9-1-1

3417
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,239
and they put me in touch with the local

3418
02:11:52,870 --> 02:11:50,400
bridgeport police department

3419
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:52,880
and you know it's been so many years now

3420
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:54,880
that i i really don't remember

3421
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:58,000
who i had spoken to but the officer that

3422
02:12:01,830 --> 02:12:00,079
i did talk to at the time

3423
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:01,840
he kind of laughed and

3424
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:04,480
you know facetiously and was making uh

3425
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:07,119
sort of a joke about it and i says

3426
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:08,800
officer i said listen listen i'm not

3427
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,920
crazy

3428
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:12,159
i really saw this this so-called

3429
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:13,760
cylinder object

3430
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:15,360
you know in the water it looked like it

3431
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:16,960
had been taking something out of the

3432
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:18,800
water and then it ascended

3433
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:20,320
until i couldn't see it anymore i was

3434
02:12:24,550 --> 02:12:22,400
looking at it with a pair of binoculars

3435
02:12:27,109 --> 02:12:24,560
and it looked like the people or

3436
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:27,119
whatever they they appeared to be they

3437
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:28,480
look like people

3438
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:29,840
they were dressed as some type of it

3439
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,000
looked like deep sea outfits and

3440
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:34,480
and they were on board that craft

3441
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:36,719
it just took off immediately and

3442
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:39,280
in in a blink of an eye it was gone

3443
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:41,440
and uh the officer said well you're not

3444
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:44,000
the first one to report seeing something

3445
02:12:48,470 --> 02:12:45,599
somebody else called too and said they

3446
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:48,480
had seen it so i guess you're right but

3447
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:49,760
he was he was

3448
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:51,920
making it more like a joke he really

3449
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:54,480
wasn't acting serious so nothing was

3450
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,239
really done about it and i looked in the

3451
02:13:02,790 --> 02:12:58,560
local newspapers the next day

3452
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:02,800
and there was a small article about

3453
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:05,040
some sightings in bridgeport but but

3454
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:07,040
that was about it nothing ever

3455
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:10,239
became of it but i experienced this and

3456
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:13,679
and hey i'm 73 years old and i know what

3457
02:13:18,950 --> 02:13:16,400
i saw and until this day i swear that

3458
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:18,960
that is what i saw and this object moved

3459
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:20,320
so fast

3460
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:22,400
it was faster than any jet fashion

3461
02:13:30,069 --> 02:13:24,480
anything that i have ever seen in my

3462
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:32,229
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3463
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:35,520
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3464
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:37,679
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3465
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:40,159
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3466
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:42,800
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3467
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:44,960
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3468
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02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,199
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3470
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3471
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:54,560
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3472
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:57,119
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3473
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:00,400
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3474
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,159
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3475
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3477
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:10,239
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3478
02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:18,470
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3479
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:20,719
driving home from wells

3480
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:23,840
coming up to loggies i i was driving my

3481
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:25,760
husband was in the passenger seat travis

3482
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:27,679
was in the back seat

3483
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,560
um

3484
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:30,639
we were kind of as i'm driving i'm also

3485
02:14:34,629 --> 02:14:32,320
glancing at my husband because we're

3486
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:34,639
talking having a conversation

3487
02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:37,280
and just out of the corner of this eye

3488
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:38,880
i saw a bright

3489
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:41,599
light and i thought oh cool shooting

3490
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:42,880
star

3491
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:44,880
was my original

3492
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:46,960
thought right away and then i looked and

3493
02:14:50,069 --> 02:14:48,880
it was just it was too big

3494
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,079
and it wasn't

3495
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:52,079
falling or moving

3496
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:54,320
sideways like shooting stars do i've

3497
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:56,239
seen a lot of shooting stars in my life

3498
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:57,520
and um

3499
02:15:02,069 --> 02:15:00,400
kept driving a few seconds later and it

3500
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,079
showed up again

3501
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:04,800
i mean okay this this is too weird i'm

3502
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:06,639
pulling over he says now go up to the

3503
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:07,599
junction

3504
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:10,079
you know get out of traffic

3505
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:11,920
i pulled over anyway started to get out

3506
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:13,920
go up to the junction get out of traffic

3507
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:16,159
i real quick pulled into the junction by

3508
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:17,920
the time i got out of the truck it had

3509
02:15:22,069 --> 02:15:19,920
disappeared

3510
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:22,079
standing there looking around and it

3511
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:23,679
showed up in the original spot again

3512
02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:26,239
right in front of us

3513
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:29,199
and i hollered at sonic's my cameras are

3514
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:31,440
in my purse grab them

3515
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:33,920
and i'll see if we can get it on video

3516
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,280
so he's grabbing my cameras and

3517
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:39,840
while he's doing that um a little black

3518
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:41,920
car pulls up next to us

3519
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:43,760
guy jumps out

3520
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:46,159
and he said are you guys seeing this i

3521
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:47,520
said yeah are you seeing the same thing

3522
02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:49,440
he says yeah he says look at all the

3523
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:50,560
people back there on the road and

3524
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:53,040
there's probably i'm guessing

3525
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:54,719
four or five cars

3526
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:57,199
pulled off the side of the highway

3527
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:59,040
you know within probably a five mile

3528
02:16:02,629 --> 02:16:00,960
radius because it's a real flat long

3529
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:02,639
stretch of road right there

3530
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:05,280
and you can see him all pulling off and

3531
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,960
stopping

3532
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:07,760
and

3533
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:09,360
he says have you ever seen anything like

3534
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:12,000
this before and we all said no he says

3535
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:13,840
well this is the second time i've i've

3536
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:14,960
seen it

3537
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:17,119
he said i'm from arizona aces and i saw

3538
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:19,920
him down there two or three years ago

3539
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:21,760
he said so this is really neat and then

3540
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,159
right in the middle of our conversation

3541
02:16:27,020 --> 02:16:26,239
all of a sudden appear appeared off to

3542
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:27,030
the left again

3543
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:28,400
[Music]

3544
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:29,440
and

3545
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,599
there were two of them

3546
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:34,000
and i got that one i got my camera up in

3547
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:35,359
time that i caught

3548
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,000
barely caught them after that they they

3549
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:39,840
blinked off

3550
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:40,960
and then

3551
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:43,599
way way way far out in the distance i

3552
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:45,040
mean just i mean it looked like it was

3553
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:48,319
probably 50 miles away it showed up

3554
02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:50,000
again but it was real real dim because

3555
02:16:53,589 --> 02:16:51,599
it was so far away

3556
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:53,599
it kind of looked like the end of a lit

3557
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:55,679
cigarette and travis is the one that

3558
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,519
spotted that one

3559
02:17:01,349 --> 02:16:59,439
none of us saw it at first until he

3560
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:01,359
pointed it out and said it's way way out

3561
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:02,160
there

3562
02:17:07,509 --> 02:17:05,519
looking around

3563
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:07,519
didn't see anything so we were gonna get

3564
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,479
back in the truck and head head home

3565
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:13,280
and all of a sudden in the original spot

3566
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:15,439
where we first saw them there were three

3567
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:16,800
of them

3568
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:18,719
from what it looked like to me

3569
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:21,679
had quite a bit of space in between them

3570
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:24,639
so it didn't look to me like it was one

3571
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:25,679
solid

3572
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:26,559
thing

3573
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:30,160
and

3574
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:32,160
then since i'd already put my camera

3575
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:34,080
away i didn't catch that one

3576
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:36,080
but i jumped back out of the truck and

3577
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:38,479
we stood there for another few minutes

3578
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:41,040
and then they came back on again two of

3579
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:43,840
them after they blinked off

3580
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,800
that time we didn't see him again

3581
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:48,880
we stood there for probably another

3582
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:51,439
i'm guessing maybe 10 minutes or so the

3583
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,200
gentleman he left

3584
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:55,359
he was on his way back to arizona and he

3585
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:57,040
left so we stood there

3586
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:58,479
and watched didn't see anything for a

3587
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:59,280
while

3588
02:18:02,389 --> 02:18:01,359
so we decided to go because sean had to

3589
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:02,399
work

3590
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,080
as we're getting in the truck is when

3591
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:06,000
travis pointed out to me that he started

3592
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:07,519
seeing jets

3593
02:18:10,709 --> 02:18:09,040
and stuff and of course i don't know

3594
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:10,719
what's what up there you know with

3595
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:12,880
planes wise i know their planes because

3596
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:14,479
you can see them moving you can see the

3597
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:16,080
flashing lights and

3598
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:17,920
you can see what looked like almost like

3599
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:19,840
a little tail coming off of them and

3600
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:21,920
like a comet really far away

3601
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:23,760
and he told me that's what afterburners

3602
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:24,719
do

3603
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,120
i'm taking his word for that i did see

3604
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:28,960
quite a few of them i'm guessing five or

3605
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:31,200
six at least

3606
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:33,679
really really fast i've never seen

3607
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:35,840
things move quite that fast before they

3608
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:37,679
seem to be coming from just about all

3609
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:39,359
different directions

3610
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:42,399
and all headed toward the same spot

3611
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:45,679
which is basically

3612
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,280
as i was looking probably just to the

3613
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,439
right of wendover

3614
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:51,280
which i don't know if the base there is

3615
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:53,040
still active or not i don't think it is

3616
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:54,160
i don't think it's been active in a

3617
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:55,040
while

3618
02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:56,559
but it seemed like they were all coming

3619
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:58,000
from different directions headed towards

3620
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:59,200
wendover

3621
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,960
i mean i've seen some

3622
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,880
weird things but they're all explainable

3623
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,040
you know i've seen shooting stars that

3624
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,200
are really big and different colors you

3625
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,679
know blue ones and purple ones and you

3626
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:11,200
know but you always know what they are

3627
02:19:14,549 --> 02:19:12,719
you can tell you see the stuff coming

3628
02:19:16,950 --> 02:19:14,559
off the end of them and

3629
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:16,960
you tell they're shooting stars and

3630
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:19,920
planes of course even hot air balloons

3631
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:21,040
gliders

3632
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:22,319
[Music]

3633
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:24,000
and this was

3634
02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,519
well they they were such an odd orange

3635
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,000
it's like we keep saying there we

3636
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:32,240
kind of liking them to a streetlight

3637
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,240
but they were even a deeper orange than

3638
02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:36,960
that but really really bright and i just

3639
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:38,559
i can't look at a street light the same

3640
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,000
now because every time i look at a

3641
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:42,719
street light i'm almost thinking

3642
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:45,200
is that one of them it's like being

3643
02:19:49,349 --> 02:19:47,120
maybe a block away

3644
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:49,359
from a streetlight and looking at that

3645
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:51,600
streetlight that's about the size and if

3646
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,600
it was just a little bit deeper color

3647
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:55,600
that would be it

3648
02:20:00,070 --> 02:19:58,399
round orange bright

3649
02:20:02,550 --> 02:20:00,080
that's the best thing that i can relate

3650
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:02,560
it to because they were that big it was

3651
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:05,439
like originally what i thought

3652
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:07,120
size wise

3653
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:09,520
was on a full moon if you take the full

3654
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:12,560
moon and you cut it in quarters

3655
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:14,479
you know four quarters it was about the

3656
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:17,600
size of a quarter of the moon

3657
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,600
it was it was big i could hear the

3658
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:21,840
peacocks clucking across the street you

3659
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:23,200
know other than that i mean there was

3660
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:24,560
not there wasn't even any wind that

3661
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:27,760
night not a cloud in the sky no wind

3662
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:28,960
no nothing

3663
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:31,200
it was just perfectly still

3664
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,240
i want to know what it is

3665
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:37,120
because at times i feel like i'm crazy

3666
02:20:42,810 --> 02:20:39,359
i just i really want to know what it is

3667
02:20:44,550 --> 02:20:42,820
it's got me really interested

3668
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:44,560
[Music]

3669
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,520
hello

3670
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:47,600
my name is larry gestner

3671
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,760
and i am in mccluskey north dakota and

3672
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:53,680
the event that i'm going to talk about

3673
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:54,800
happened

3674
02:21:01,830 --> 02:20:59,520
to me and my wife at the time back on

3675
02:21:03,370 --> 02:21:01,840
7 10 of 03.

3676
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:03,380
i had just gotten home

3677
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:04,960
[Music]

3678
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,560
from

3679
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,399
a drive someplace i can't remember

3680
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:11,120
exactly where it was that i came from

3681
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:12,479
and

3682
02:21:16,950 --> 02:21:14,880
i had sat down in the living room to

3683
02:21:18,230 --> 02:21:16,960
watch i think the tonight show had just

3684
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,240
started

3685
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:20,800
and uh my wife

3686
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,720
decided she wanted to go outside on the

3687
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:24,000
back deck

3688
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,600
and have a cigarette

3689
02:21:30,150 --> 02:21:27,840
and so she went out to have a cigarette

3690
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:30,160
and i was watching tv

3691
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:32,399
and all of a sudden she started

3692
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:33,920
screaming

3693
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:34,720
now

3694
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:37,520
i at the time i was sheriff

3695
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:40,319
of sheridan county where we lived and we

3696
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,680
still live

3697
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:43,520
and

3698
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,600
the scream that she let out

3699
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,680
kind of shook me up because i figured

3700
02:21:52,309 --> 02:21:49,920
somebody was trying to kill her

3701
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:52,319
and so i raced out the back door to find

3702
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:53,680
her on the deck

3703
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:55,520
pointing up in the sky

3704
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:56,800
and she said

3705
02:22:02,389 --> 02:21:59,520
that that that that star that star just

3706
02:22:04,150 --> 02:22:02,399
shot out of the sky it stopped and and

3707
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:04,160
red lights came on

3708
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,680
and there it is

3709
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:07,680
and i looked

3710
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:09,520
and i you know at first i thought okay

3711
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,960
it's probably maybe a meteor or

3712
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:12,800
something but then i'm looking and the

3713
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,240
red lights are

3714
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:17,040
above the you know above the horizon or

3715
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:19,520
just at the horizon and

3716
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:22,479
it it looks like they're off in the

3717
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:24,319
distance but not too far and all of a

3718
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:26,080
sudden i'm thinking to myself

3719
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:27,680
it almost looks like that thing is

3720
02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:30,080
headed towards us and then as it started

3721
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:32,240
to get closer i thought maybe it's an

3722
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:34,560
aircraft or something that you know we

3723
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:37,120
just didn't understand what it was

3724
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:39,600
but as the object started to get closer

3725
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,200
i noticed that the

3726
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:43,120
the red lights

3727
02:22:46,389 --> 02:22:45,439
and now we were seeing green lights as

3728
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,399
well

3729
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,960
and it was in a vertical formation not

3730
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:50,960
horizontal

3731
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:54,399
and i this really puzzled me because i

3732
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,080
you know i've been in ground aircraft my

3733
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:58,080
whole life i spent 14 years in the air

3734
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,960
force

3735
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,960
around flight lines around all kinds of

3736
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:02,560
aircraft

3737
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:04,720
and i knew the light configuration of

3738
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:06,880
aircraft and

3739
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:09,359
i looked at this and i said this is not

3740
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:11,359
right something's not right

3741
02:23:16,630 --> 02:23:13,920
and as it got closer we could tell it

3742
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:16,640
was farther up in the sky

3743
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:18,960
and i guess we

3744
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:21,200
we estimated maybe it was around 800

3745
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:24,000
feet in the sky but as it got closer now

3746
02:23:27,270 --> 02:23:25,760
uh

3747
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,280
the thing i forgot to tell you is the

3748
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:29,680
time period you know somewhere between

3749
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:32,399
i'm gonna say 20 minutes to

3750
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:34,880
11 our time to

3751
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:36,960
you know 10 minutes to

3752
02:23:42,389 --> 02:23:38,880
11 our time

3753
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,399
at night the sky had just turned dark in

3754
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:44,399
other words

3755
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:45,600
it was

3756
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,760
light enough that you could still tell

3757
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:49,359
it was sky

3758
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:51,920
but it was dark enough to where

3759
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,240
uh you would have trouble making things

3760
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:56,160
out i you know

3761
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:57,200
so as

3762
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,439
as this object is getting closer we're

3763
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:01,920
trying to look at it and

3764
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:04,720
i i see this vertical formation of

3765
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:05,680
lights

3766
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,280
and i'm thinking this is this is just

3767
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,439
not right what could this be

3768
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:11,760
and as it got closer we realized it was

3769
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:14,560
probably around oh i would guess maybe

3770
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:16,720
800 feet in the air

3771
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:18,160
and it was big

3772
02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:20,240
the best i can i can describe is

3773
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:22,319
probably just to give a rough estimation

3774
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:24,479
probably the size of a football field

3775
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:25,439
you know

3776
02:24:30,790 --> 02:24:28,479
100 yards by 50 yards

3777
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:30,800
or 20 you know 25 yards i don't even i

3778
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:34,560
think it's 50 yards across but anyway

3779
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:36,960
as this thing is starting to come closer

3780
02:24:43,190 --> 02:24:39,120
we're making out

3781
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:43,200
a a strange shape on it and can't quite

3782
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:45,359
put together what it is

3783
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:48,720
but we can tell as it gets closer that

3784
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:49,920
one of the

3785
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:52,080
white lights that we're seeing

3786
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:53,200
is

3787
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:55,120
up in the upper part

3788
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:57,200
of this shape

3789
02:25:01,830 --> 02:24:58,960
on our side

3790
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:01,840
and as it starts to get closer

3791
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:04,960
we start to hear what i

3792
02:25:09,670 --> 02:25:07,520
automatically assumed was thrust

3793
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:09,680
the sound of a you know thrust from an

3794
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:10,880
aircraft

3795
02:25:14,630 --> 02:25:12,000
but

3796
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:14,640
the object was traveling slow

3797
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:18,319
probably around 35 30 30 miles an hour

3798
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:20,399
something like that

3799
02:25:24,309 --> 02:25:22,080
and it was moving slow

3800
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:24,319
and as it got closer and closer we were

3801
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,920
looking at it and all of a sudden i

3802
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:27,359
realized that this

3803
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:31,120
side light is a window

3804
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:34,319
and it's backlit from the inside of what

3805
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:37,600
appears to be some sort of a craft

3806
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:38,560
and the

3807
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:40,479
craft

3808
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:41,280
is

3809
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:44,160
starting to take on what i would assume

3810
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:45,200
or

3811
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:47,760
estimate as a diamond shape

3812
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,280
uh it's got angles a right angle to it

3813
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:53,520
a slope in the front

3814
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,120
slope on the side

3815
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:57,920
uh as it's getting closer we're looking

3816
02:26:02,150 --> 02:26:00,080
up at it i hear this thrust sound but

3817
02:26:05,670 --> 02:26:02,160
the thrust sound does not

3818
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:05,680
equate to what i knew thrust to be

3819
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:08,160
from jet engines on aircraft

3820
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:10,160
there wasn't enough

3821
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:12,640
of the sound of thrust to keep this

3822
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:14,800
thing of this size

3823
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:16,080
up in the air

3824
02:26:20,469 --> 02:26:17,520
and so

3825
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:20,479
i i'm just totally bewildered i just i'm

3826
02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:23,040
i'm in law i can't you know

3827
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:24,960
figure out what the heck i'm looking at

3828
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:27,200
i can't you know it's not like anything

3829
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:29,439
i'm used to no aircraft that i've ever

3830
02:26:33,429 --> 02:26:32,000
seen before

3831
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:33,439
so

3832
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:35,520
as it's getting closer and closer it

3833
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,520
finally gets to just about

3834
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:39,439
over our heads

3835
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,280
and

3836
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:43,439
i'm freaking out my wife is freaking out

3837
02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:45,200
we're looking at this thing and i'm

3838
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:47,680
looking and trying to see i focused on

3839
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:50,000
the window at this point there was two

3840
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:52,479
sets or two rows of windows and i was

3841
02:26:58,469 --> 02:26:55,520
focused probably on the upper set

3842
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:58,479
and i could see inside the window and

3843
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:00,479
i'm thinking myself am i going to see an

3844
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:03,600
alien am i going to see an alien

3845
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:05,760
in an alien craft

3846
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:08,160
and what i did see

3847
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:10,800
was some sort of a structural wall

3848
02:27:16,790 --> 02:27:14,560
now in aircraft design

3849
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:16,800
they drill out holes

3850
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:19,040
and support structures to lessen the

3851
02:27:21,590 --> 02:27:19,920
weight

3852
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:21,600
uh this is an engineering thing that

3853
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:24,160
they do and i worked on b-52s and i've

3854
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:26,640
seen this before in the structural

3855
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:29,280
integrity of the b-52s

3856
02:27:32,070 --> 02:27:30,640
so

3857
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,080
i'm looking at this and i'm thinking

3858
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:34,560
myself my god this thing is is

3859
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:37,439
is it man-made it you know i'm looking

3860
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:39,760
at the the the holes in the in the wall

3861
02:27:44,550 --> 02:27:41,600
and saying that this looks just like a

3862
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:44,560
structural element off of b52 and it

3863
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:47,200
almost had that lime green

3864
02:27:50,469 --> 02:27:48,720
color to it

3865
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:50,479
that you would see on the inside of an

3866
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:52,560
aircraft like up in the wheel well or

3867
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:53,760
something

3868
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:55,040
so

3869
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:56,880
you know at this point my wife and i

3870
02:28:01,750 --> 02:27:59,840
were just we're just dumbfounded i mean

3871
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:01,760
you you become

3872
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:03,840
paralyzed because your brain is trying

3873
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,439
to make sense of something that isn't

3874
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:07,439
making any sense to you this is

3875
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:09,280
something that you know it defies the

3876
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:12,240
laws of physics it it can't be anything

3877
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:13,920
that you know

3878
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,840
and we're watching it

3879
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:17,680
and obviously i'm saying my god this is

3880
02:28:21,429 --> 02:28:20,240
a ufo i can't believe this

3881
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:21,439
and so

3882
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:23,200
all of a sudden i sort of snapped too

3883
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:26,160
and i said oh my god this is headed it

3884
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:29,200
had started in the southeast

3885
02:28:34,070 --> 02:28:31,520
and was headed over basically just

3886
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:34,080
behind my house headed in a northeast

3887
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:35,520
direction

3888
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,479
and as it started to go overhead

3889
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:40,560
i sort of snapped too and said oh my god

3890
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:42,800
it's headed right for pickardville

3891
02:28:48,710 --> 02:28:46,160
which is where one of my deputies lived

3892
02:28:50,710 --> 02:28:48,720
and so i ran inside

3893
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:50,720
my wife ran out to the

3894
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:52,800
the west side of the house we were on

3895
02:28:57,270 --> 02:28:54,960
the east side in the back deck

3896
02:28:59,190 --> 02:28:57,280
and she ran out to the front door on the

3897
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:59,200
west side and

3898
02:29:03,670 --> 02:29:00,960
stood there and watched it as it went

3899
02:29:05,110 --> 02:29:03,680
over the house and kept going i tried to

3900
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,120
call my deputy

3901
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,600
now my deputy answers the phone and i

3902
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:09,040
tell them you've got to get outside

3903
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:10,960
you've got to get outside right now

3904
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:13,520
there's a ufo headed right over your

3905
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:15,680
house headed right for you it's got to

3906
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:17,760
be pretty close by now

3907
02:29:20,710 --> 02:29:18,640
so

3908
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:20,720
he's laughing at me

3909
02:29:26,389 --> 02:29:23,040
and you know i said i'm dead serious get

3910
02:29:28,389 --> 02:29:26,399
outside and so he finally gets outside

3911
02:29:29,429 --> 02:29:28,399
and about that time i ran out the front

3912
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:29,439
door

3913
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:31,439
to see where it was

3914
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:32,640
and

3915
02:29:37,590 --> 02:29:35,600
my wife goes i was listening to you she

3916
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:37,600
goes you're not going to believe this

3917
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:40,160
she goes as soon as you said the word

3918
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:42,240
ufo

3919
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,520
that crap stopped dead stop a white

3920
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:48,240
light came on on the back end of it and

3921
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:49,840
it shot straight up in the air and

3922
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:53,200
unbelievable speed and it was gone

3923
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,200
and so i'm talking to my deputy and he

3924
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:57,840
goes i don't see anything and i go yeah

3925
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,840
i guess you don't it's gone

3926
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,280
it's already gone

3927
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:03,280
at that point we knew

3928
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:05,520
we had seen something incredible

3929
02:30:09,830 --> 02:30:07,439
something that

3930
02:30:14,230 --> 02:30:12,630
we have the capability to have ships

3931
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:14,240
like that

3932
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:18,000
or we are being visited by a intelligent

3933
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:20,000
race

3934
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,359
and the

3935
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:22,960
the craft

3936
02:30:27,510 --> 02:30:25,359
is of

3937
02:30:29,830 --> 02:30:27,520
unbelievable size i mean i don't know

3938
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:29,840
what this craft would have been used for

3939
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:31,359
and the thing that i'm still trying to

3940
02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:33,040
wrap my head around

3941
02:30:36,630 --> 02:30:34,000
is

3942
02:30:38,230 --> 02:30:36,640
when they travel at those unbelievable

3943
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:38,240
speeds

3944
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:40,160
and stop

3945
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,960
how is it that they can do that i mean

3946
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:44,720
if you're driving in a car and you slam

3947
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:47,359
on the brakes you launch forward

3948
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:50,319
and so that's at a you know a normal

3949
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:52,640
speed or a little bit faster but when

3950
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:55,040
you're traveling in excess of a thousand

3951
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:57,760
miles an hour uh

3952
02:31:01,910 --> 02:31:00,240
i can't i just can't i can't imagine how

3953
02:31:03,830 --> 02:31:01,920
anybody could survive something like

3954
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:03,840
that without breaking the laws of

3955
02:31:08,710 --> 02:31:05,760
physics so there must be something else

3956
02:31:11,720 --> 02:31:08,720
going on here that we can't explain

3957
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:11,730
when it comes to that

3958
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:14,000
[Music]

3959
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:16,160
name is sean kevin jason and i'm a

3960
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:18,560
computer analyst from las vegas nevada

3961
02:31:23,270 --> 02:31:21,680
now ryan had graciously asked me to

3962
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:23,280
tell you about my story which is

3963
02:31:26,230 --> 02:31:25,040
included in this book some more in the

3964
02:31:28,150 --> 02:31:26,240
skies

3965
02:31:30,230 --> 02:31:28,160
so i'm going to give you a brief

3966
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:30,240
overview of what happened if you would

3967
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:32,160
like the full details

3968
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,399
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3969
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:36,479
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3970
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it was about a quarter after nine

3971
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:40,560
o'clock and i was still at work at the

3972
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:42,720
time it was at that moment when i was

3973
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:45,840
struck with a strong sensation in my gut

3974
02:31:50,150 --> 02:31:48,160
that is like a cross between butterflies

3975
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:50,160
in your stomach and

3976
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:52,080
that queasy feeling you get when you

3977
02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:54,960
drop in a roller coaster really fast

3978
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:56,880
at the same time i would get that

3979
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:59,200
sensation i would hear a voice in my

3980
02:32:02,150 --> 02:32:00,399
head

3981
02:32:05,190 --> 02:32:02,160
now this had happened

3982
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,200
several times in my teenage years

3983
02:32:11,110 --> 02:32:07,840
but on this particular occasion it was

3984
02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:11,120
basically telling me to go to area 51.

3985
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:13,760
this was the first time it was happening

3986
02:32:18,550 --> 02:32:16,800
with regards to a potential ufo

3987
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:18,560
encounter

3988
02:32:22,710 --> 02:32:20,240
there was only one reason i ever went

3989
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:22,720
out to area 51 was in hopes of seeing a

3990
02:32:26,469 --> 02:32:24,399
ufo

3991
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:26,479
on my previous trips out there nothing

3992
02:32:29,830 --> 02:32:27,520
happened

3993
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:29,840
tennessee anything noteworthy or

3994
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:34,950
when this happened i knew

3995
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:37,280
right away what it meant

3996
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:39,840
at least what i believed it meant was

3997
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:43,280
that i was going to have a ufo encounter

3998
02:32:47,110 --> 02:32:44,720
that evening

3999
02:32:48,710 --> 02:32:47,120
oddly enough within

4000
02:32:49,990 --> 02:32:48,720
minutes after

4001
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:50,000
this event

4002
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:52,399
the manager had asked if i would like to

4003
02:32:55,910 --> 02:32:54,160
leave early

4004
02:32:58,630 --> 02:32:55,920
business was slow that night she was

4005
02:33:00,150 --> 02:32:58,640
looking to cut staff and asked me first

4006
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:00,160
if i wanted to go home

4007
02:33:06,389 --> 02:33:02,880
of course which i said yes right away

4008
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:06,399
so i gathered my stuff got out of there

4009
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:08,319
hit up my mom's house which was just

4010
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:09,920
down the street where my brother was

4011
02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:12,800
staying he had a pintucks film camera

4012
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:15,120
which i wanted to borrow for the trip

4013
02:33:19,670 --> 02:33:17,280
so i swung by there to

4014
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:19,680
grab the camera but both he and the

4015
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:21,359
camera were gone

4016
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:24,319
um so i left from there and went home

4017
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:25,120
so

4018
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:28,479
after stopping at home and changing um i

4019
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:31,040
hit the road and started heading out

4020
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:33,439
towards area 51

4021
02:33:39,670 --> 02:33:36,960
there's a bend in highway 93

4022
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:39,680
your first turn as you start turning

4023
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:42,319
from a north direction more to of a

4024
02:33:45,270 --> 02:33:43,760
northeast

4025
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,280
direction

4026
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,200
and as soon as i start coming around to

4027
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,280
bend off in a distance i can see some

4028
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:51,680
lights and my first thought was it's

4029
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:53,840
just another car in the road uh first

4030
02:33:58,309 --> 02:33:56,399
car i'm going to pass of the night

4031
02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:58,319
so i continue driving

4032
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:01,040
and as i do so i begin to realize that

4033
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,280
that light off in a distance isn't

4034
02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:05,439
getting any closer to me but i'm getting

4035
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:07,920
closer to it so i suspected maybe a car

4036
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:09,920
was pulled off to the side of the road

4037
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:12,240
possibly they had broken down

4038
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:16,319
and this caused me some concern because

4039
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:18,080
i was debating as to whether or not i

4040
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:20,160
was going to stop and help them or keep

4041
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,240
driving and since this was the middle of

4042
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:24,080
nowhere

4043
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:26,080
i was somewhat concerned about stopping

4044
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:27,439
to help

4045
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:28,240
so

4046
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:31,040
i was debating this in my head

4047
02:34:35,110 --> 02:34:32,880
when it

4048
02:34:37,750 --> 02:34:35,120
dawned on me or when i realized that the

4049
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:37,760
lights were not actually on the road but

4050
02:34:42,630 --> 02:34:39,760
hovering over the road i was getting

4051
02:34:45,910 --> 02:34:42,640
close enough now that i can see that

4052
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:45,920
and my first reaction was to slam on the

4053
02:34:50,550 --> 02:34:48,560
brakes because i was speeding i was in a

4054
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:50,560
hurry to try to get to area 51. i was

4055
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:52,560
still on the first leg of a two-hour

4056
02:34:56,830 --> 02:34:53,439
drive

4057
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:56,840
so i thought running behind

4058
02:35:03,429 --> 02:35:00,000
and speeding i'm thinking these lights

4059
02:35:05,429 --> 02:35:03,439
must be a metro helicopter you know out

4060
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:05,439
there looking for speeders

4061
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:08,080
and that thought maybe lasted for two

4062
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:10,479
seconds because it was

4063
02:35:14,710 --> 02:35:12,399
absurd to think there would be a police

4064
02:35:17,190 --> 02:35:14,720
helicopter hovering maybe

4065
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:17,200
10 20 feet right over the highway

4066
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:20,640
looking for speeders and i'd say

4067
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:22,080
so

4068
02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:24,000
when i ruled that out

4069
02:35:29,030 --> 02:35:26,720
it then dawned on me that maybe these

4070
02:35:30,469 --> 02:35:29,040
lights were the very reason i was coming

4071
02:35:33,510 --> 02:35:30,479
out there

4072
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:33,520
so i decided to grab my binoculars to

4073
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:35,120
see if i couldn't get a look at the

4074
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:38,640
object before i arrived at the site just

4075
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:40,800
in case it should leave before i get

4076
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:42,160
there

4077
02:35:46,389 --> 02:35:44,240
so i picked them up and i'm looking at

4078
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:46,399
the object i can definitely see

4079
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:47,920
there is something hovering over the

4080
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:50,240
road and its lights are shining down on

4081
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:51,120
it

4082
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:52,319
and

4083
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:55,520
if you've ever tried to drive by looking

4084
02:36:01,110 --> 02:35:58,080
through binoculars at the same time it's

4085
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:01,120
pretty much impossible and at one point

4086
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:03,520
i nearly lost control so i threw them in

4087
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:05,680
the back seat because

4088
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:06,800
it simply

4089
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:08,800
wasn't working but it was enough to at

4090
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:10,399
least establish there was indeed

4091
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:12,000
something there hovering over the road

4092
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,720
so i stepped on the gas and a desperate

4093
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:16,399
attempt to hurry up and get there before

4094
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,680
it left

4095
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:19,920
it sat there and waited for me until i

4096
02:36:24,630 --> 02:36:22,960
pulled up underneath the triangle ufo

4097
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:24,640
and parked my car

4098
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:26,800
which was hovering about 20 feet over

4099
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:27,920
the road

4100
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:30,479
and i had parked my car just under the

4101
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:34,399
very first light or tip of this triangle

4102
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:37,840
on the underside of it there were nine

4103
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:40,720
what seemed like standard aircraft flood

4104
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:41,920
lights

4105
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:44,399
the craft was a perfect triangle

4106
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:46,800
pitch black so i couldn't make out any

4107
02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:48,720
detail on the

4108
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:51,280
skin of the craft the only thing that

4109
02:36:54,230 --> 02:36:52,880
really offered any detail were the

4110
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:54,240
lights on it

4111
02:37:00,870 --> 02:36:57,760
so for the remainder of the sighting i

4112
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:00,880
sat there and studied the lights and

4113
02:37:05,910 --> 02:37:03,200
tried remembering as much detail as i

4114
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:05,920
could of these lights

4115
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:08,160
i decided i was going to use my

4116
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:11,040
binoculars to get an even better look at

4117
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:12,880
the light i figured

4118
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:14,960
if there was maybe some logo or

4119
02:37:20,150 --> 02:37:17,200
identifying marks at the center of the

4120
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,160
bulb like we traditionally use

4121
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:22,800
i might be able to identify the lights

4122
02:37:27,110 --> 02:37:24,800
so i reached behind me to grab for them

4123
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:27,120
without taking my eyes off the craft but

4124
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:28,640
apparently when i threw them in the back

4125
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:31,120
seat on the way there

4126
02:37:34,630 --> 02:37:32,640
they had got

4127
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,640
stuck behind one of the seats

4128
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:36,479
so i had to take my eyes off the craft

4129
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:38,640
to reach behind me and grab them

4130
02:37:43,830 --> 02:37:41,680
and and so doing that very second the

4131
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:43,840
craft decided to take off

4132
02:37:49,030 --> 02:37:46,479
so i had to scan the horizon and

4133
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:49,040
eventually caught side of it again to my

4134
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:50,880
seven o'clock position

4135
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:52,960
and now probably a football field away

4136
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,280
from me and it was hovering over the

4137
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:58,240
ground much like a speed racer in a star

4138
02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:59,760
wars movie

4139
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:01,600
it just always stayed 20 feet from the

4140
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:05,359
ground and followed the terrain

4141
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:08,000
as it moved westward from my spot

4142
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:10,080
eventually it made a right turn and

4143
02:38:14,070 --> 02:38:11,920
headed north

4144
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:14,080
going over the mountain range that's

4145
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:16,160
just north of that road

4146
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:18,640
and it kind of just climbed over the

4147
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:21,120
mountain rather than flying over it it

4148
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,120
stayed close to the ground

4149
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:25,280
and basically inched its way up the side

4150
02:38:29,990 --> 02:38:27,040
of the mountain before disappearing over

4151
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:30,000
the top and dropping down the other side

4152
02:38:37,110 --> 02:38:32,720
after that i figured well this was just

4153
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:37,120
the introduction um whatever that

4154
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:39,680
message was calling me to

4155
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:42,240
still was waiting for me at area 51 so i

4156
02:38:47,429 --> 02:38:45,120
continued on after that

4157
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:47,439
and thinking you know there's still more

4158
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:50,720
to come but when i got out there

4159
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:51,840
eventually

4160
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:53,680
nothing else happened i didn't see

4161
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:55,600
anything else and

4162
02:39:00,070 --> 02:38:57,760
after a short while i decided to turn

4163
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:00,080
around and head back home and the drive

4164
02:39:05,349 --> 02:39:02,800
home was uneventful as well

4165
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:05,359
so what do i believe happen

4166
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,920
basically we are dealing with a control

4167
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:10,399
system that is responsible for

4168
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:11,840
preventing

4169
02:39:16,389 --> 02:39:13,280
paradoxes

4170
02:39:18,389 --> 02:39:16,399
by ensuring that space time is

4171
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:18,399
self-consistent

4172
02:39:24,070 --> 02:39:20,880
and it does this by programming the

4173
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:24,080
observer using psychic phenomenon such

4174
02:39:27,910 --> 02:39:26,560
as precognition your gut instinct or

4175
02:39:30,870 --> 02:39:27,920
intuition

4176
02:39:33,429 --> 02:39:30,880
to ensure that a future event

4177
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:33,439
happens as has been programmed by the

4178
02:39:37,830 --> 02:39:34,960
system

4179
02:39:42,070 --> 02:39:37,840
the message or voice is being used to

4180
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:42,080
elicit a very specific chain of events

4181
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:43,840
these chain of events

4182
02:39:49,510 --> 02:39:46,640
must lead up to the future event that's

4183
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:49,520
being predicted and in this way space

4184
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:52,479
time is self-consistent and preventing a

4185
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:54,160
paradox

4186
02:39:58,150 --> 02:39:56,319
if you're familiar at all with the work

4187
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:58,160
of jacques valet

4188
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:00,479
and his theory or hypothesis on the

4189
02:40:05,830 --> 02:40:03,040
control system essentially this case is

4190
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:05,840
a textbook example of that control

4191
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,439
system

4192
02:40:11,190 --> 02:40:09,600
i had reached the same conclusions as

4193
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:11,200
valet has

4194
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,439
independently of his work

4195
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:14,640
and

4196
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:16,800
as for the black triangle i saw that

4197
02:40:19,349 --> 02:40:17,920
night

4198
02:40:22,230 --> 02:40:19,359
based on

4199
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:22,240
the terrestrial technology i identified

4200
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:24,240
on the craft

4201
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:27,120
i believe it was built here on earth by

4202
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:29,520
humans and is not of extraterrestrial

4203
02:40:33,270 --> 02:40:31,690
origin

4204
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:33,280
[Music]

4205
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:35,520
greetings citizens and welcome to this

4206
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,160
somewhere in the skies unknown crossover

4207
02:40:42,550 --> 02:40:40,960
episode i'm jason mcclellan and ryan and

4208
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:42,560
i are excited to be recording this

4209
02:40:47,830 --> 02:40:46,080
episode live from alien con baltimore

4210
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:47,840
and we have the privilege of being

4211
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:50,560
joined today by this awesome audience at

4212
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:58,790
are you having fun at aliencon yet

4213
02:41:02,790 --> 02:41:00,880
we were so worried about that being so

4214
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:02,800
early in the morning so thank you this

4215
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:04,640
is one of the first sessions at aliencon

4216
02:41:08,630 --> 02:41:06,560
so yeah we know it's it's great for you

4217
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:08,640
to be here great uh that you have some

4218
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,880
energy to join us well what about you

4219
02:41:14,150 --> 02:41:12,319
ryan are you having fun at aliencon this

4220
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:14,160
isn't your first aliencon no i did the

4221
02:41:19,110 --> 02:41:16,319
last event in pasadena this past summer

4222
02:41:22,309 --> 02:41:19,120
which was amazing i had no idea what to

4223
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:22,319
expect uh as a ufo researcher you know i

4224
02:41:27,110 --> 02:41:25,120
i watch ancient aliens i i'm i'm up with

4225
02:41:28,469 --> 02:41:27,120
the times with all that but i had no

4226
02:41:30,309 --> 02:41:28,479
idea what to expect and when i got there

4227
02:41:32,230 --> 02:41:30,319
i was blown away and that's kind of how

4228
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:32,240
i feel today here on the east coast

4229
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:34,160
where i'm originally from so it's it's

4230
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:36,080
good to be home it's good to see a lot

4231
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:38,479
of familiar faces new faces and i'm

4232
02:41:42,950 --> 02:41:40,640
pumped man yeah i love events like this

4233
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:42,960
this is my first alien con but we do a

4234
02:41:49,910 --> 02:41:47,120
lot of ufo uh specific events and a lot

4235
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:49,920
of the ufo conferences are largely

4236
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:52,080
academic you know where they're they're

4237
02:41:55,510 --> 02:41:53,680
focused on

4238
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,520
the large speaker component with

4239
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:58,000
lectures and talks about various topics

4240
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:59,680
related to ufos

4241
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,520
and what i think aliencon has done

4242
02:42:05,510 --> 02:42:04,080
really well with is blend the two types

4243
02:42:07,110 --> 02:42:05,520
of conferences that i go to a lot

4244
02:42:09,349 --> 02:42:07,120
because i do a lot of comic cons and

4245
02:42:11,670 --> 02:42:09,359
things like that too and taking the two

4246
02:42:13,030 --> 02:42:11,680
kind of blending the best of both worlds

4247
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:13,040
in a topic

4248
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:14,399
centered around a topic that we love

4249
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:16,800
yeah absolutely and bringing a lot of

4250
02:42:21,270 --> 02:42:18,640
people together that might normally not

4251
02:42:23,270 --> 02:42:21,280
we all have this one sort of interest

4252
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:23,280
and passion in common and that's you

4253
02:42:26,950 --> 02:42:25,680
know the question of aliens right right

4254
02:42:29,270 --> 02:42:26,960
and you know we're going to be talking a

4255
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:29,280
lot more about ufos today absolutely how

4256
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:30,800
they're connected how they may not be

4257
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,720
connected stuff like that yeah so let's

4258
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:34,800
get into it so the focus of our episode

4259
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:37,520
today is going to be specifically on ufo

4260
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:39,439
sightings on ufo experiences

4261
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:41,760
extraterrestrial experiences and we're

4262
02:42:43,910 --> 02:42:42,960
going to

4263
02:42:47,270 --> 02:42:43,920
hear

4264
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:47,280
some of our experiences and also some uh

4265
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,040
of the experiences of our attendees here

4266
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:51,840
today so i'm excited for that but let's

4267
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:54,080
get started with ours ryan why don't you

4268
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:55,840
share whatever you would like to share

4269
02:42:59,910 --> 02:42:57,920
yeah absolutely i mean so

4270
02:43:02,309 --> 02:42:59,920
i feel like a lot of ufo researchers

4271
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:02,319
have that origin story of how they got

4272
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:05,760
involved why they do this with every

4273
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:07,680
free moment they have which is what we

4274
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:09,600
do you know we research study

4275
02:43:14,469 --> 02:43:12,319
investigate ufos every waking moment

4276
02:43:17,030 --> 02:43:14,479
when we're not you know paying the bills

4277
02:43:17,910 --> 02:43:17,040
and everything so for me

4278
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:17,920
i

4279
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:34,800
upstate new york and canada and the

4280
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:37,760
the river literally connected the two

4281
02:43:42,150 --> 02:43:39,520
and i was on a weekend getaway with my

4282
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:42,160
parents uh to go fishing and we were

4283
02:43:47,429 --> 02:43:44,479
staying at a motel right and right on

4284
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:47,439
the water and it was late at night and i

4285
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:50,640
was listening to green day on my discman

4286
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:52,880
that brings me back to the 90s

4287
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:55,279
and i was just you know casting my reel

4288
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:57,359
out bringing it in casting out bringing

4289
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:59,760
it in listening to music and i noticed

4290
02:44:01,750 --> 02:44:00,640
uh

4291
02:44:03,910 --> 02:44:01,760
three

4292
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:03,920
lights in the water and i thought there

4293
02:44:08,389 --> 02:44:05,680
was something under the water so i

4294
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:08,399
started like peering over the edge and

4295
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:10,720
uh i noticed that it was not in the

4296
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:13,680
water it was a reflection so naturally i

4297
02:44:15,590 --> 02:44:14,720
look up

4298
02:44:18,309 --> 02:44:15,600
and

4299
02:44:20,389 --> 02:44:18,319
above me i couldn't tell you how high up

4300
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:20,399
how close it was but it was

4301
02:44:25,030 --> 02:44:22,720
three white lights and a

4302
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:25,040
like a reddish orange

4303
02:44:29,910 --> 02:44:27,840
basketball shaped thing in the middle

4304
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:29,920
it was in a triangular formation

4305
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,640
i did not see a structure to this thing

4306
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:34,319
i didn't see metal i didn't see anything

4307
02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:35,920
connecting it but the lights were

4308
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,560
stationary they were floating above me

4309
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:40,399
and i could not see the stars or

4310
02:44:44,790 --> 02:44:42,479
anything behind it so i am guessing this

4311
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:44,800
was a solid object but i can't say for

4312
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,960
sure and it was silent i didn't hear a

4313
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:48,800
thing all i could hear was the water

4314
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:51,520
hitting the dock where i was fishing i

4315
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:53,680
flung my headphones off waiting to hear

4316
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,120
for some sort of uh propulsion nothing

4317
02:45:01,510 --> 02:44:59,439
i was really scared this thing was

4318
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:01,520
floating silently above me

4319
02:45:07,510 --> 02:45:04,319
so i tried to yell for my father who was

4320
02:45:10,950 --> 02:45:07,520
inside our motel watching a yankees game

4321
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:10,960
so i couldn't get him away from that um

4322
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:13,120
but i was frozen i could feel like a

4323
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:14,640
vibration

4324
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,600
from the back of my neck going down into

4325
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:19,920
my chest during all this

4326
02:45:24,309 --> 02:45:21,600
i don't know what that was maybe i was

4327
02:45:25,910 --> 02:45:24,319
just scared maybe whatever this was was

4328
02:45:28,389 --> 02:45:25,920
doing something i don't know but i was

4329
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:28,399
frozen i couldn't talk nothing i finally

4330
02:45:32,389 --> 02:45:30,160
was able to get a little squeal out and

4331
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:32,399
my dad runs out

4332
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:33,279
and

4333
02:45:38,230 --> 02:45:35,359
as he's coming out the thing starts

4334
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:38,240
going over the water towards canada and

4335
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:40,399
disappears out of sight i don't know if

4336
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:41,120
it

4337
02:45:47,429 --> 02:45:45,120
actually went into the water i couldn't

4338
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,439
tell you but my father did see the tail

4339
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:48,960
end of this thing so

4340
02:45:53,830 --> 02:45:51,920
uh i knew i wasn't just seeing things

4341
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:53,840
he told me it was a plane just a plane

4342
02:45:58,790 --> 02:45:56,399
you know doing his fatherly job but i

4343
02:45:59,910 --> 02:45:58,800
knew different i saw it right above me

4344
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:59,920
silent

4345
02:46:01,990 --> 02:46:00,880
massive

4346
02:46:05,030 --> 02:46:02,000
and

4347
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:05,040
the next morning we went to the motel

4348
02:46:08,469 --> 02:46:06,399
person and said did anyone report

4349
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,479
anything weird he said no but we get

4350
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:10,240
stuff like that all the time so that

4351
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:11,760
scared me even more

4352
02:46:15,429 --> 02:46:13,200
this was not the first time a ufo had

4353
02:46:17,190 --> 02:46:15,439
been seen in this area again i was 12

4354
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:17,200
years old i

4355
02:46:20,230 --> 02:46:18,560
it was fear

4356
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:20,240
it was just fear i didn't know what it

4357
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:22,640
was and that kind of led to an obsession

4358
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:24,000
i started taking out books at the

4359
02:46:29,429 --> 02:46:27,520
library on ufos and cryptids and all

4360
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,439
that good stuff and uh

4361
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:31,920
i would have nightmares about what i saw

4362
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:33,040
and

4363
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:34,800
it just really stuck with me but i

4364
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:37,279
wanted to educate myself and i started

4365
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:40,240
getting all the books and that's kind of

4366
02:46:44,950 --> 02:46:42,399
my origin story as it were and that's

4367
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,960
how i became a ufo researcher we'll see

4368
02:46:47,670 --> 02:46:45,840
and that's

4369
02:46:49,750 --> 02:46:47,680
that's a cool thing about your origin

4370
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:49,760
story is that it actually is tied to a

4371
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:50,880
sighting

4372
02:46:53,429 --> 02:46:51,760
so

4373
02:46:54,870 --> 02:46:53,439
you get to tell both of yours in the

4374
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:54,880
same time

4375
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,680
always fun um so

4376
02:47:01,910 --> 02:46:59,680
i think i'm going to start

4377
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,920
just briefly by mentioning my sighting

4378
02:47:04,630 --> 02:47:03,040
of the phoenix lights you're probably

4379
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:04,640
familiar with the phoenix lights it's a

4380
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:05,680
large

4381
02:47:11,750 --> 02:47:09,120
mass ufo sighting in arizona

4382
02:47:16,150 --> 02:47:11,760
and it was in march of 1997.

4383
02:47:19,030 --> 02:47:16,160
i was a 17 year old boy back then and

4384
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:19,040
i grew up in the remote desert

4385
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:20,800
on the outskirts of phoenix

4386
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:25,120
and on that night i was out um

4387
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:27,680
i forget our our property had like uh i

4388
02:47:31,349 --> 02:47:29,200
think our house was on like an acre or

4389
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:31,359
something of nothing but desert and we

4390
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:33,279
had very few neighbors it was very very

4391
02:47:38,630 --> 02:47:36,640
remote very very lonely

4392
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:38,640
but that night walking walking around

4393
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:40,640
the property um

4394
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,439
the

4395
02:47:45,349 --> 02:47:43,920
lights were very hard to miss we saw a

4396
02:47:46,830 --> 02:47:45,359
lot of weird things in the sky all the

4397
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:46,840
time

4398
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:52,000
out and watch the military dropping

4399
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:54,560
flares because from where our house was

4400
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:56,479
we had a clear line of sight to the

4401
02:48:01,750 --> 02:47:59,040
berry goldwater range where the a-10s

4402
02:48:03,510 --> 02:48:01,760
frequently dropped the test flares that

4403
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:03,520
were later attributed to the phoenix

4404
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:06,160
lights but i knew

4405
02:48:09,750 --> 02:48:07,680
right from the moment i saw those lights

4406
02:48:11,830 --> 02:48:09,760
that they were not military flares i

4407
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:11,840
knew that this was something out of the

4408
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:13,920
ordinary something that i had never seen

4409
02:48:16,550 --> 02:48:14,880
before

4410
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:16,560
and something that i should probably pay

4411
02:48:20,950 --> 02:48:18,960
attention to so i

4412
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:20,960
stared at these lights that were

4413
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:23,680
seemingly directly over my head a series

4414
02:48:28,630 --> 02:48:25,279
of seven lights

4415
02:48:31,670 --> 02:48:28,640
and they were completely motionless

4416
02:48:34,230 --> 02:48:31,680
completely silent and did not change in

4417
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:34,240
their formation or their appearance at

4418
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:36,080
all they didn't flicker

4419
02:48:40,150 --> 02:48:38,479
or change color they were just a

4420
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:40,160
constant steady

4421
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:42,960
series of lights hovering in the sky

4422
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:46,080
now this frustrates me to no end uh

4423
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:49,200
because of my career now but

4424
02:48:54,070 --> 02:48:51,439
as a 17 year old kid

4425
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:54,080
my attention span was very limited

4426
02:49:00,150 --> 02:48:56,160
and after

4427
02:49:01,670 --> 02:49:00,160
15 minutes or so i kind of lost interest

4428
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:01,680
and

4429
02:49:06,389 --> 02:49:04,479
went back inside did something else but

4430
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:06,399
i came back later

4431
02:49:10,150 --> 02:49:08,000
probably 10 minutes later the lights

4432
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:10,160
were still there

4433
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:13,200
and it gets worse i grabbed our

4434
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:14,720
camcorder

4435
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:17,279
and i recorded these lights

4436
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:19,359
for probably 10 minutes

4437
02:49:24,950 --> 02:49:21,200
i'm pretty sure that video was recorded

4438
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:28,389
so that that's haunted me for a while um

4439
02:49:32,469 --> 02:49:30,240
but the phoenix lights was was an

4440
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:32,479
incredible thing and i will say that

4441
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:34,800
those lights remained out there and i

4442
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:36,080
didn't see them disappear i don't know

4443
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:37,600
how they left but

4444
02:49:43,429 --> 02:49:40,640
i was aware that they were there for

4445
02:49:46,230 --> 02:49:43,439
probably a span of 45 minutes and i will

4446
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,240
say recounting any of my ufo sighting

4447
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:48,399
experiences i've learned over the years

4448
02:49:52,150 --> 02:49:50,640
and having dealt with so many

4449
02:49:53,910 --> 02:49:52,160
experiences

4450
02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:53,920
from witnesses and knowing what i know

4451
02:49:57,990 --> 02:49:56,080
about witness testimony i think witness

4452
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:58,000
testimony is incredibly valuable

4453
02:50:03,030 --> 02:50:01,439
valuable i value that probably over much

4454
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:03,040
evidence that there is with ufo

4455
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:04,319
sightings

4456
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:07,040
however i do know the problems with

4457
02:50:10,150 --> 02:50:08,479
eyewitness testimony

4458
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:10,160
especially with my own i have a terrible

4459
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:12,240
brain and i know thinking back to

4460
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:14,560
something that happened so long ago

4461
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,160
i would like to

4462
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:18,960
firmly say that oh i remember there were

4463
02:50:22,389 --> 02:50:20,720
clearly seven lights and they clearly

4464
02:50:24,710 --> 02:50:22,399
did this and i looked at my watch and it

4465
02:50:26,550 --> 02:50:24,720
was this time to the second

4466
02:50:28,389 --> 02:50:26,560
i have no clue i don't remember what i

4467
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:28,399
had for dinner last week let alone you

4468
02:50:33,030 --> 02:50:30,560
know what happened to the second on the

4469
02:50:34,950 --> 02:50:33,040
night so long ago so

4470
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:34,960
i do try to preface my my stories with

4471
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:37,200
that saying this is what i seem to

4472
02:50:41,670 --> 02:50:38,720
recall is what i think happened to the

4473
02:50:44,389 --> 02:50:41,680
best of my recollection but not 100

4474
02:50:46,230 --> 02:50:44,399
certain so i try to avoid

4475
02:50:48,309 --> 02:50:46,240
very firm details with these stories

4476
02:50:49,830 --> 02:50:48,319
phoenix lights however as incredible as

4477
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:49,840
it was and and it became such a

4478
02:50:53,750 --> 02:50:51,359
monumental case you know the largest

4479
02:50:55,510 --> 02:50:53,760
mass sighting in in modern history

4480
02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:55,520
wasn't the one that had the most effect

4481
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:56,399
on me

4482
02:51:00,469 --> 02:50:58,160
and i hate saying this because it makes

4483
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:00,479
me sound like a jerk but to this point i

4484
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:02,880
mean i i've lost count of how many ufo

4485
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,000
sightings i've had and when i say ufo

4486
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:08,240
sightings again this is coming

4487
02:51:12,550 --> 02:51:10,720
from this perspective of somebody who is

4488
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:12,560
a ufo researcher and journalist somebody

4489
02:51:17,030 --> 02:51:14,160
who's done this professionally i was

4490
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:17,040
paid a salary full time 50 hours a week

4491
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:18,640
for a period of seven years to do

4492
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:21,840
nothing but ufo research so

4493
02:51:26,389 --> 02:51:23,279
i have

4494
02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:26,399
reviewed and analyzed literally

4495
02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:29,840
thousands of ufo photos and videos and

4496
02:51:34,309 --> 02:51:32,160
being a responsible journalist and

4497
02:51:37,030 --> 02:51:34,319
researcher i got pretty darn good at

4498
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:37,040
being able to identify mundane things

4499
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:39,200
that pop up in a lot of ufo photos and

4500
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:41,680
videos to weed those out and focus on

4501
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:44,640
the more interesting cases so when

4502
02:51:49,190 --> 02:51:46,960
i talk about my personal ufo sightings

4503
02:51:50,950 --> 02:51:49,200
sure i've seen plenty of junk in the sky

4504
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:50,960
because the sky is littered with with

4505
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:52,720
all sorts of things that we that looks

4506
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:55,120
weird to us but the things based on my

4507
02:52:01,429 --> 02:51:58,640
experience that defy explanation that i

4508
02:52:04,469 --> 02:52:01,439
haven't been able to put an answer to

4509
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,479
it's i've lost count but i i see

4510
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:06,560
typically it's about a dozen to this

4511
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:07,520
point

4512
02:52:11,190 --> 02:52:09,439
um and again the phoenix lights isn't

4513
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:11,200
the most exciting one to me although

4514
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:13,439
it's the most well known and became this

4515
02:52:16,630 --> 02:52:15,279
this giant thing as it should because

4516
02:52:19,750 --> 02:52:16,640
it's incredibly important and

4517
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:19,760
fascinating i think my first sighting as

4518
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:22,560
a researcher happened with the aid of

4519
02:52:27,269 --> 02:52:25,200
night vision and if you ever had the

4520
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:27,279
ability to use night vision and go sky

4521
02:52:32,870 --> 02:52:30,720
watching it is incredible you see all

4522
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:32,880
sorts of stuff that you have no ideas

4523
02:52:37,910 --> 02:52:35,760
there and again a lot of this stuff is

4524
02:52:39,750 --> 02:52:37,920
normal stuff that should be there

4525
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:39,760
but then there are the things

4526
02:52:45,030 --> 02:52:42,720
that make you scratch your head and

4527
02:52:46,790 --> 02:52:45,040
maybe sometimes pee your pants but

4528
02:52:48,550 --> 02:52:46,800
mostly scratch your head

4529
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:48,560
speak for yourself

4530
02:52:53,110 --> 02:52:50,560
and uh yeah one of the one of the first

4531
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:53,120
first times i i when i did an outing

4532
02:52:56,389 --> 02:52:54,640
with with night vision

4533
02:52:57,429 --> 02:52:56,399
i did see

4534
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:57,439
the

4535
02:53:01,910 --> 02:52:59,920
objects that you hear reference so often

4536
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:01,920
of things moving through the sky

4537
02:53:06,389 --> 02:53:04,319
seemingly like satellites with a similar

4538
02:53:07,830 --> 02:53:06,399
behavior and appearance of a satellite

4539
02:53:08,830 --> 02:53:07,840
moving through the sky

4540
02:53:12,870 --> 02:53:08,840
but then

4541
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:12,880
stopping remaining in that same point

4542
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:14,319
and then shooting off in another

4543
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:17,439
direction and disappearing from sight

4544
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:18,479
those

4545
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:20,640
situations just

4546
02:53:25,429 --> 02:53:23,279
take your breath away all that that

4547
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:25,439
can't happen but it just did

4548
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,240
so those are some of the better ones

4549
02:53:31,030 --> 02:53:29,920
that leave me

4550
02:53:34,070 --> 02:53:31,040
very

4551
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:34,080
excited and have happened multiple times

4552
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:36,000
but there have been a lot of

4553
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:38,240
weird sightings too i mean they're all

4554
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:40,160
weird but you know ryan mentioned a

4555
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,479
triangular shape that's a probably the

4556
02:53:45,670 --> 02:53:43,760
most commonly

4557
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:45,680
cited shape today

4558
02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:48,240
but they run the gamut they really do

4559
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:49,760
and i love the names they come up with

4560
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:51,359
especially in the uk they have like

4561
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:53,359
hamburger shaped ufos and things these

4562
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:54,960
are great i've never seen a hamburger

4563
02:54:00,469 --> 02:53:57,760
shaped ufo but i have seen a rectangle

4564
02:54:02,309 --> 02:54:00,479
ufo and that one was was hovering above

4565
02:54:04,309 --> 02:54:02,319
the freeway i was driving down the

4566
02:54:06,790 --> 02:54:04,319
freeway and saw this object and it was

4567
02:54:09,510 --> 02:54:06,800
it was dark so you couldn't really see

4568
02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:09,520
um or make out shape of an object until

4569
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:11,279
i was directly under it and i could see

4570
02:54:15,750 --> 02:54:13,200
that this object was motionless over the

4571
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:15,760
freeway and it was probably

4572
02:54:19,429 --> 02:54:16,880
again

4573
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:19,439
who am i but to make this assessment but

4574
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:21,760
i'm guessing it was about 100 feet off

4575
02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:24,160
the ground but looking up at it as we

4576
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:26,560
drove under it i could see

4577
02:54:31,510 --> 02:54:27,600
edges

4578
02:54:34,070 --> 02:54:31,520
and it had lights it had round big round

4579
02:54:37,510 --> 02:54:34,080
lights on each edge of it so it was just

4580
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:37,520
a big big rectangle with two circular

4581
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:38,560
lights

4582
02:54:42,550 --> 02:54:41,439
gigantic craft just hovering over the

4583
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:42,560
freeway

4584
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:44,479
and i've seen those actually a couple of

4585
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:46,880
times yeah i i've i've spoken to many

4586
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:48,399
witnesses who've seen

4587
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,640
very similar craft as well yeah it

4588
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:52,640
really does run the gamut the days of

4589
02:54:58,870 --> 02:54:56,319
flying saucers have come and gone i mean

4590
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:58,880
that was a product of its time but we

4591
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:01,279
know now like people are seeing the

4592
02:55:06,150 --> 02:55:03,520
weirdest things you can possibly think

4593
02:55:08,469 --> 02:55:06,160
of some even seem organic

4594
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:08,479
i've come across across cases where

4595
02:55:14,150 --> 02:55:11,920
people see things like almost breathing

4596
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:14,160
or thriving in the sky like some sort of

4597
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:15,520
biological

4598
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:17,680
entity almost it's very

4599
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:20,160
interesting just you know trying to

4600
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:22,160
we we we spend so much time trying to

4601
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:24,720
put things in a box but we can't we we

4602
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:27,359
can't i don't think anyone really can uh

4603
02:55:31,510 --> 02:55:29,120
when it comes to having a ufo setting

4604
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:31,520
because it is something you've

4605
02:55:36,389 --> 02:55:34,080
sort of you've never experienced before

4606
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:36,399
you there's no box to put it in and

4607
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:38,080
again i always try to keep an open mind

4608
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:39,680
um even if i

4609
02:55:43,510 --> 02:55:40,960
think i

4610
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:43,520
know an explanation the the most likely

4611
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:46,319
explanation for something that i've seen

4612
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,920
i know that that's just

4613
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:50,000
one explanation there could be other

4614
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:52,319
possibilities and one of those you know

4615
02:55:56,630 --> 02:55:54,240
speaking about the biologic ufo that's

4616
02:55:59,349 --> 02:55:56,640
another example of of one of the weird

4617
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:59,359
ones that i've seen with a super crazy

4618
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,120
high-powered lens

4619
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:03,200
in mexico city

4620
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:06,000
i watched this object seemingly swim

4621
02:56:08,389 --> 02:56:07,439
through the sky

4622
02:56:10,389 --> 02:56:08,399
and

4623
02:56:11,590 --> 02:56:10,399
looking back at it now

4624
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:11,600
you know i was fully convinced this

4625
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:14,479
wasn't the case then now i i as time

4626
02:56:17,590 --> 02:56:16,319
passes i consider the possibility more

4627
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:17,600
and more that

4628
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:19,920
yeah it was most likely

4629
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:22,240
uh a research balloon a weather balloon

4630
02:56:24,630 --> 02:56:23,120
because

4631
02:56:27,110 --> 02:56:24,640
they do have this appearance that had a

4632
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:27,120
long tail where the payload you know is

4633
02:56:31,110 --> 02:56:28,800
typically suspended from

4634
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:31,120
but when i was there when i was watching

4635
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:34,640
this thing move on the camera's lcd i

4636
02:56:39,269 --> 02:56:37,600
could see these motions i could see

4637
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:39,279
what seemed to be

4638
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:41,840
intelligent color shifting

4639
02:56:47,429 --> 02:56:44,319
it was wild and so i

4640
02:56:49,910 --> 02:56:47,439
although i do think it probably was was

4641
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:49,920
a weather balloon and just a result of

4642
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:51,920
seeing with it being so high in the

4643
02:56:56,950 --> 02:56:53,120
altitude

4644
02:57:00,070 --> 02:56:56,960
reflecting off it quite a bit causing

4645
02:57:02,150 --> 02:57:00,080
these seeming color changes

4646
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:02,160
i still come back to that possibility

4647
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:04,399
based on based on what i saw i'm i'm

4648
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:06,080
open to the possibility of the biologic

4649
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:08,399
ufo yeah well roswell was a weather

4650
02:57:13,750 --> 02:57:11,520
balloon too jason yeah right

4651
02:57:16,150 --> 02:57:13,760
well i think we should probably open it

4652
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:16,160
up to hear some of our audience's

4653
02:57:19,309 --> 02:57:18,240
stories here so if you would like to

4654
02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:19,319
share

4655
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:22,560
a sighting or an encounter that you may

4656
02:57:26,950 --> 02:57:24,160
have had please come up to the

4657
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:26,960
microphone and again we'll try to keep

4658
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:29,040
these as brief as possible so we can

4659
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:30,960
allow as many people as possible to

4660
02:57:34,309 --> 02:57:32,240
share stories and again you don't have

4661
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:34,319
to share stories um you don't have to

4662
02:57:39,030 --> 02:57:36,000
use your name you don't have to use your

4663
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:39,040
name again it's not video it's audio and

4664
02:57:42,070 --> 02:57:40,800
certainly we'll be around all weekend so

4665
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:42,080
if you'd like to share your stories with

4666
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:43,840
us and not be recorded that's also a

4667
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:45,680
possibility for you later

4668
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:46,720
so

4669
02:57:51,269 --> 02:57:48,080
we'll keep talking feel free to come up

4670
02:57:53,349 --> 02:57:51,279
to the mic and we'll jump to you

4671
02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:53,359
as it seems appropriate

4672
02:57:57,349 --> 02:57:55,359
i want to point out i'll bring up

4673
02:57:59,429 --> 02:57:57,359
another sighting i had in san diego

4674
02:58:02,950 --> 02:57:59,439
actually i was on my way to san diego

4675
02:58:05,190 --> 02:58:02,960
and um this is how i i get so frustrated

4676
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:05,200
at myself with how lazy

4677
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:07,279
and complacent i've become with with ufo

4678
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:09,920
sightings because i just i don't know

4679
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:11,840
they don't affect me like they used to

4680
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:13,359
and when i i've had a couple of these

4681
02:58:16,630 --> 02:58:14,720
sightings where i'm driving and i see

4682
02:58:18,469 --> 02:58:16,640
something remarkable

4683
02:58:20,550 --> 02:58:18,479
and i should pull over and look at this

4684
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:20,560
thing and i even sometimes have camera

4685
02:58:24,870 --> 02:58:22,640
equipment in my car and i don't you know

4686
02:58:27,269 --> 02:58:24,880
take photos or video i just keep driving

4687
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:27,279
i'm all oh that's cool well that's

4688
02:58:32,309 --> 02:58:29,439
the biggest issue we run into with

4689
02:58:33,910 --> 02:58:32,319
skeptics is why didn't you record it why

4690
02:58:36,309 --> 02:58:33,920
don't these people pull out their cell

4691
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:36,319
phone we have the technology now it's in

4692
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:38,000
our pocket every second why aren't we

4693
02:58:43,349 --> 02:58:40,880
taking photos and videos of these things

4694
02:58:44,389 --> 02:58:43,359
at least from personal experience

4695
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:44,399
i

4696
02:58:53,349 --> 02:58:50,800
very

4697
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:53,359
personal powerful moment

4698
02:58:57,510 --> 02:58:55,040
even if it's a prosaic thing you're

4699
02:59:00,389 --> 02:58:57,520
looking at that you later discover was

4700
02:59:02,150 --> 02:59:00,399
you know something you misidentified

4701
02:59:04,790 --> 02:59:02,160
that moment of seeing something you've

4702
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:04,800
never seen before your total your

4703
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:07,279
reality your perception being skewed

4704
02:59:10,150 --> 02:59:08,720
last thing you're thinking of is oh i

4705
02:59:12,950 --> 02:59:10,160
want to sh i want to post this on

4706
02:59:14,710 --> 02:59:12,960
youtube or instagram it's just i don't

4707
02:59:16,550 --> 02:59:14,720
think that's really yeah

4708
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:16,560
that's you're in that immediate moment

4709
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:18,960
like enjoy it for what it's worth that's

4710
02:59:22,710 --> 02:59:21,120
that's what i say does it suck because

4711
02:59:25,030 --> 02:59:22,720
we don't have photographic evidence of

4712
02:59:27,349 --> 02:59:25,040
what you saw yeah it does but i think

4713
02:59:28,469 --> 02:59:27,359
ufo sightings are deeply personal

4714
02:59:30,870 --> 02:59:28,479
and

4715
02:59:32,550 --> 02:59:30,880
they impact you in your own ways however

4716
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:32,560
your beliefs were before that might be

4717
02:59:36,550 --> 02:59:35,120
shifted they might not who knows but i

4718
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:36,560
know so many people who are like oh that

4719
02:59:40,070 --> 02:59:37,920
was interesting and they went on with

4720
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:40,080
their day as well some people it changed

4721
02:59:43,590 --> 02:59:42,399
their entire lives yeah so the last one

4722
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:43,600
in san diego that i should have pulled

4723
02:59:49,590 --> 02:59:46,080
over for i was actually going out to san

4724
02:59:52,150 --> 02:59:49,600
diego to to see tom delonga to the stars

4725
02:59:54,790 --> 02:59:52,160
and i was driving it was it was very

4726
02:59:56,710 --> 02:59:54,800
early in the morning i mean very like

4727
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:56,720
probably an hour or two before the sun

4728
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:58,720
came up so it was still dark driving on

4729
03:00:03,349 --> 03:00:00,960
the road only vehicle on the road and i

4730
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:03,359
saw this light ahead that was

4731
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:05,359
in the sky but i couldn't tell how far

4732
03:00:09,510 --> 03:00:07,279
off the road it was i assumed that it

4733
03:00:11,590 --> 03:00:09,520
was an airplane but

4734
03:00:13,510 --> 03:00:11,600
as i kept driving it seemed to just stay

4735
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:13,520
in the same place and it was there for

4736
03:00:18,150 --> 03:00:15,920
quite a while and i had a clear view for

4737
03:00:20,870 --> 03:00:18,160
a very long stretch of nothingness road

4738
03:00:22,150 --> 03:00:20,880
and so i just assumed well this must be

4739
03:00:24,710 --> 03:00:22,160
a planet then

4740
03:00:27,030 --> 03:00:24,720
because clearly at my the angle i'm at i

4741
03:00:28,309 --> 03:00:27,040
can't tell perspective but it's a planet

4742
03:00:30,309 --> 03:00:28,319
it hasn't moved it hasn't changed an

4743
03:00:32,710 --> 03:00:30,319
appearance and it's it's pretty

4744
03:00:35,510 --> 03:00:32,720
prominent so i think it's a planet

4745
03:00:36,870 --> 03:00:35,520
as i kept approaching it was still there

4746
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:36,880
that's all but that can't be a planet

4747
03:00:39,990 --> 03:00:38,399
it's too low in the sky

4748
03:00:41,750 --> 03:00:40,000
i kept getting closer and closer and it

4749
03:00:43,269 --> 03:00:41,760
stayed in that same spot i was all wait

4750
03:00:45,190 --> 03:00:43,279
a second i need to start paying

4751
03:00:46,550 --> 03:00:45,200
attention to this so as i got closer and

4752
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:46,560
closer i could tell i was going to pass

4753
03:00:50,469 --> 03:00:48,240
directly under it

4754
03:00:53,030 --> 03:00:50,479
and as i did i looked up and there was

4755
03:00:55,750 --> 03:00:53,040
just a solid light there in the sky

4756
03:00:57,190 --> 03:00:55,760
pretty far up but still quite seemingly

4757
03:00:59,590 --> 03:00:57,200
large and bright

4758
03:01:01,990 --> 03:00:59,600
as i passed it i saw a sign for a rest

4759
03:01:04,309 --> 03:01:02,000
area so i took the exit got off at the

4760
03:01:05,349 --> 03:01:04,319
rest area got out of my car turned

4761
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:05,359
around

4762
03:01:09,510 --> 03:01:08,080
i was gone there's nothing there

4763
03:01:11,910 --> 03:01:09,520
welcome to our lives yeah it's gonna

4764
03:01:13,990 --> 03:01:11,920
pull over faster yeah yeah

4765
03:01:16,469 --> 03:01:14,000
hi hi there i just want to share my

4766
03:01:18,150 --> 03:01:16,479
story although i wish i had a closer

4767
03:01:20,389 --> 03:01:18,160
experience like you

4768
03:01:23,030 --> 03:01:20,399
um but my friends and i this was back in

4769
03:01:25,349 --> 03:01:23,040
the early 90s we were um at the

4770
03:01:27,349 --> 03:01:25,359
wachusett reservoir and we were watching

4771
03:01:28,230 --> 03:01:27,359
you know the perseid meteor showers that

4772
03:01:30,469 --> 03:01:28,240
night

4773
03:01:32,309 --> 03:01:30,479
and we were looking up in the sky

4774
03:01:33,990 --> 03:01:32,319
and you know far up everything just

4775
03:01:35,429 --> 03:01:34,000
looks like a white dot right those are

4776
03:01:37,590 --> 03:01:35,439
the stars

4777
03:01:41,349 --> 03:01:37,600
and all of a sudden one of those dots

4778
03:01:43,990 --> 03:01:41,359
from north to south started jumping down

4779
03:01:46,870 --> 03:01:44,000
in a straight line so it wasn't blinking

4780
03:01:49,990 --> 03:01:46,880
it was like jumping and then it stopped

4781
03:01:52,550 --> 03:01:50,000
and made a perfect 90 degree

4782
03:01:54,710 --> 03:01:52,560
change to um

4783
03:01:55,590 --> 03:01:54,720
you know to the east and did the same

4784
03:01:57,349 --> 03:01:55,600
thing

4785
03:01:58,550 --> 03:01:57,359
and then blinked off and i said to my

4786
03:02:00,870 --> 03:01:58,560
friends

4787
03:02:02,950 --> 03:02:00,880
did you see that and they laughed at me

4788
03:02:05,349 --> 03:02:02,960
i said what could that possibly be but

4789
03:02:07,349 --> 03:02:05,359
it was so far up you could be you know a

4790
03:02:09,269 --> 03:02:07,359
star that's what it looked like

4791
03:02:11,510 --> 03:02:09,279
but it couldn't have been a star because

4792
03:02:13,030 --> 03:02:11,520
stars don't move like that so we really

4793
03:02:14,630 --> 03:02:13,040
couldn't figure out what it was but it

4794
03:02:16,870 --> 03:02:14,640
was exciting

4795
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:16,880
that's terrific yeah i mean the the

4796
03:02:20,550 --> 03:02:19,680
whole stopping and making a 90 degree

4797
03:02:23,030 --> 03:02:20,560
turn

4798
03:02:25,750 --> 03:02:23,040
right to me i mean no conventional

4799
03:02:28,309 --> 03:02:25,760
aircraft with a pilot could survive

4800
03:02:30,070 --> 03:02:28,319
something like that and it was so high

4801
03:02:33,110 --> 03:02:30,080
not like you know a space station

4802
03:02:35,830 --> 03:02:33,120
doesn't do that or anything like that

4803
03:02:37,429 --> 03:02:35,840
yeah so you do have to wonder for sure

4804
03:02:39,510 --> 03:02:37,439
yeah i mean uh you

4805
03:02:41,429 --> 03:02:39,520
of course like you want to jump to it

4806
03:02:43,750 --> 03:02:41,439
was aliens but we don't know i don't

4807
03:02:46,469 --> 03:02:43,760
know right but at the same time you have

4808
03:02:48,309 --> 03:02:46,479
to wonder and it was fun to say i can my

4809
03:02:50,870 --> 03:02:48,319
father also had an experience that he

4810
03:02:52,550 --> 03:02:50,880
told me about that was a little closer

4811
03:02:56,389 --> 03:02:52,560
he was driving down the street with his

4812
03:02:59,429 --> 03:02:56,399
wife and off into the woods he saw these

4813
03:03:01,190 --> 03:02:59,439
rotating different colored lights and

4814
03:03:03,030 --> 03:03:01,200
they both looked and they saw that it

4815
03:03:06,070 --> 03:03:03,040
was some kind of

4816
03:03:07,830 --> 03:03:06,080
typical round craft that was just going

4817
03:03:09,190 --> 03:03:07,840
through the woods following the road

4818
03:03:11,110 --> 03:03:09,200
that they were on

4819
03:03:12,630 --> 03:03:11,120
and eventually

4820
03:03:14,630 --> 03:03:12,640
you know got too forested and you

4821
03:03:15,910 --> 03:03:14,640
couldn't see it anymore but i wish i had

4822
03:03:17,590 --> 03:03:15,920
been there for that one because that was

4823
03:03:19,910 --> 03:03:17,600
a little bit closer of an encounter and

4824
03:03:22,710 --> 03:03:19,920
i didn't you know but yeah i find it

4825
03:03:24,790 --> 03:03:22,720
fascinating really fascinating yeah yeah

4826
03:03:27,110 --> 03:03:24,800
a lot of people always say like you know

4827
03:03:29,510 --> 03:03:27,120
i want to see a ufo i want to see a ufo

4828
03:03:30,790 --> 03:03:29,520
and i understand that impulse for sure

4829
03:03:33,750 --> 03:03:30,800
um

4830
03:03:36,230 --> 03:03:33,760
i'm happy i saw what i saw i guess it

4831
03:03:39,110 --> 03:03:36,240
led me on this path i am today into this

4832
03:03:41,190 --> 03:03:39,120
room right now even but at the same time

4833
03:03:42,870 --> 03:03:41,200
it was really scary yeah it probably

4834
03:03:45,429 --> 03:03:42,880
really scary when you're young like that

4835
03:03:47,910 --> 03:03:45,439
too yeah at such a young age yeah it

4836
03:03:50,309 --> 03:03:47,920
really uh i i wouldn't say traumatized

4837
03:03:52,710 --> 03:03:50,319
me but it it definitely

4838
03:03:55,750 --> 03:03:52,720
changed my perception of the world but

4839
03:03:57,349 --> 03:03:55,760
you didn't have missing time correct

4840
03:04:00,070 --> 03:03:57,359
that's a tough one

4841
03:04:03,030 --> 03:04:00,080
i had what many have

4842
03:04:05,830 --> 03:04:03,040
coined the oz factor occur when i had my

4843
03:04:07,830 --> 03:04:05,840
sighting this feeling of everything

4844
03:04:09,830 --> 03:04:07,840
slowing down around you

4845
03:04:11,750 --> 03:04:09,840
and your senses are just going all over

4846
03:04:14,790 --> 03:04:11,760
the place like i said i had this weird

4847
03:04:17,510 --> 03:04:14,800
vibration going through my body um

4848
03:04:20,550 --> 03:04:17,520
and just everything seemed to be blurry

4849
03:04:22,230 --> 03:04:20,560
and going in slow motion you know i when

4850
03:04:25,030 --> 03:04:22,240
i finally did yell for my dad to come

4851
03:04:26,950 --> 03:04:25,040
out like it felt like forever when in

4852
03:04:28,630 --> 03:04:26,960
reality it was probably just like that i

4853
03:04:30,790 --> 03:04:28,640
don't know i don't know how long the

4854
03:04:33,190 --> 03:04:30,800
event lasted to be completely honest

4855
03:04:35,429 --> 03:04:33,200
memory is fallible at times um what i

4856
03:04:37,269 --> 03:04:35,439
remember most is how i felt and i think

4857
03:04:39,190 --> 03:04:37,279
that's the same for a lot of people like

4858
03:04:40,710 --> 03:04:39,200
they they grab on to that one thing they

4859
03:04:42,230 --> 03:04:40,720
know best and that's how they feel

4860
03:04:44,870 --> 03:04:42,240
during something

4861
03:04:46,469 --> 03:04:44,880
not how high up was it how big was it

4862
03:04:48,710 --> 03:04:46,479
yeah those things are great and we would

4863
03:04:50,150 --> 03:04:48,720
love those as investigators if we can

4864
03:04:52,309 --> 03:04:50,160
narrow in we can try to figure out what

4865
03:04:54,309 --> 03:04:52,319
it was but at the same time whatever you

4866
03:04:56,309 --> 03:04:54,319
saw that night and whatever your father

4867
03:04:57,190 --> 03:04:56,319
saw like that's for you right it's for

4868
03:05:01,190 --> 03:04:57,200
you

4869
03:05:03,429 --> 03:05:01,200
yeah i will say that uh

4870
03:05:06,070 --> 03:05:03,439
you touched on it a lot of people ask us

4871
03:05:07,910 --> 03:05:06,080
how do i see a ufo where do i go go to

4872
03:05:10,150 --> 03:05:07,920
see a ufo it's something that a lot of

4873
03:05:12,309 --> 03:05:10,160
people ask and i mean

4874
03:05:14,950 --> 03:05:12,319
sadly or or maybe not so sadly there is

4875
03:05:17,429 --> 03:05:14,960
no magic formula to seeing ufo but what

4876
03:05:18,870 --> 03:05:17,439
i always tell people is

4877
03:05:21,429 --> 03:05:18,880
just look up

4878
03:05:23,190 --> 03:05:21,439
if you invest the time you'll probably

4879
03:05:26,309 --> 03:05:23,200
see something because there's a lot of

4880
03:05:27,590 --> 03:05:26,319
stuff up there all the time day or night

4881
03:05:29,429 --> 03:05:27,600
so

4882
03:05:31,910 --> 03:05:29,439
sky watching isn't for everybody it can

4883
03:05:33,510 --> 03:05:31,920
be incredibly boring because it's a lot

4884
03:05:34,630 --> 03:05:33,520
of time where a lot of nothing is

4885
03:05:37,750 --> 03:05:34,640
happening

4886
03:05:40,309 --> 03:05:37,760
but the times i've gone and really spent

4887
03:05:42,230 --> 03:05:40,319
full nights staring at the sky

4888
03:05:44,710 --> 03:05:42,240
you see some of the greatest stuff

4889
03:05:46,710 --> 03:05:44,720
even if it's not alien the things the

4890
03:05:48,790 --> 03:05:46,720
natural things going on in our world are

4891
03:05:49,910 --> 03:05:48,800
just as exciting that are up there it's

4892
03:05:51,670 --> 03:05:49,920
astounding

4893
03:05:54,150 --> 03:05:51,680
hi hello

4894
03:05:56,710 --> 03:05:54,160
um this was in the 90s

4895
03:05:58,710 --> 03:05:56,720
i was visiting a friend in pagosa

4896
03:06:01,269 --> 03:05:58,720
springs colorado

4897
03:06:03,349 --> 03:06:01,279
right near dulce mexico

4898
03:06:05,510 --> 03:06:03,359
so there's a lot of activity i hear

4899
03:06:08,230 --> 03:06:05,520
around there so i was had been

4900
03:06:10,550 --> 03:06:08,240
interested in ufos and i i was visiting

4901
03:06:13,190 --> 03:06:10,560
her going and we i got there a little

4902
03:06:17,349 --> 03:06:13,200
late it was dark at that time and we

4903
03:06:20,309 --> 03:06:17,359
went out on on her deck had a great view

4904
03:06:22,790 --> 03:06:20,319
so i i sort of i saw some planes coming

4905
03:06:24,950 --> 03:06:22,800
in from the left very long view

4906
03:06:26,070 --> 03:06:24,960
and so i i said

4907
03:06:26,790 --> 03:06:26,080
hi

4908
03:06:29,510 --> 03:06:26,800
just

4909
03:06:32,070 --> 03:06:29,520
joking wow two planes turned into about

4910
03:06:34,469 --> 03:06:32,080
eight boom bing bing bing bing bing bing

4911
03:06:36,389 --> 03:06:34,479
as if they answered me

4912
03:06:37,269 --> 03:06:36,399
he was like hi

4913
03:06:40,630 --> 03:06:37,279
wow

4914
03:06:42,950 --> 03:06:40,640
that was very interesting have you tried

4915
03:06:45,190 --> 03:06:42,960
have you tried that again

4916
03:06:47,910 --> 03:06:45,200
to go back too well to go back to and

4917
03:06:49,030 --> 03:06:47,920
there must be some familiarity with me

4918
03:06:51,269 --> 03:06:49,040
of me

4919
03:06:53,750 --> 03:06:51,279
uh because this wasn't a sighting but

4920
03:06:56,469 --> 03:06:53,760
this had to do with uh

4921
03:06:58,790 --> 03:06:56,479
totally inexplicable and inexplicable

4922
03:07:02,550 --> 03:06:58,800
when i was i'm a twin

4923
03:07:04,950 --> 03:07:02,560
they like to study twins i gather

4924
03:07:07,990 --> 03:07:04,960
and i must been about six

4925
03:07:09,349 --> 03:07:08,000
five six years old in indiana i used to

4926
03:07:11,750 --> 03:07:09,359
like to

4927
03:07:15,190 --> 03:07:11,760
watch for whatever reason

4928
03:07:16,070 --> 03:07:15,200
he uh yeah stars at night

4929
03:07:17,190 --> 03:07:16,080
and

4930
03:07:19,910 --> 03:07:17,200
uh the

4931
03:07:21,830 --> 03:07:19,920
venus venus i was just

4932
03:07:22,790 --> 03:07:21,840
fascinated i was watching it every night

4933
03:07:24,710 --> 03:07:22,800
well

4934
03:07:26,469 --> 03:07:24,720
it must been earlier than that because i

4935
03:07:27,429 --> 03:07:26,479
was still in diapers i guess must be

4936
03:07:29,510 --> 03:07:27,439
earlier

4937
03:07:31,429 --> 03:07:29,520
but maybe that's why later i was

4938
03:07:33,429 --> 03:07:31,439
watching venus having forgotten about

4939
03:07:35,910 --> 03:07:33,439
this very small

4940
03:07:39,670 --> 03:07:35,920
me and my twin brother in indiana were

4941
03:07:41,349 --> 03:07:39,680
found outside all the windows closed

4942
03:07:44,070 --> 03:07:41,359
in the morning

4943
03:07:47,670 --> 03:07:44,080
wandering around in our diapers

4944
03:07:49,750 --> 03:07:47,680
doors closed windows closed

4945
03:07:52,950 --> 03:07:49,760
that was interesting mom told us about

4946
03:07:54,150 --> 03:07:52,960
it i don't remember specifically

4947
03:07:56,230 --> 03:07:54,160
and then

4948
03:07:58,630 --> 03:07:56,240
very shortly after that

4949
03:08:03,429 --> 03:07:58,640
during the summer we would have

4950
03:08:05,030 --> 03:08:03,439
simultaneous bleeding noses well

4951
03:08:06,550 --> 03:08:05,040
duh

4952
03:08:08,950 --> 03:08:06,560
something's happening there we didn't

4953
03:08:11,830 --> 03:08:08,960
think anything of it oh glenn has a

4954
03:08:14,389 --> 03:08:11,840
has a bleeding nose oh you do too

4955
03:08:17,030 --> 03:08:14,399
we're in separate bedrooms you know uh

4956
03:08:19,510 --> 03:08:17,040
so that may have been some early

4957
03:08:21,429 --> 03:08:19,520
connection but it wasn't visual

4958
03:08:23,510 --> 03:08:21,439
other than i was looking at the stars

4959
03:08:25,990 --> 03:08:23,520
and and then in another interesting

4960
03:08:28,150 --> 03:08:26,000
thing that when you think about it i had

4961
03:08:30,950 --> 03:08:28,160
this big fear of being i didn't have the

4962
03:08:33,910 --> 03:08:30,960
word abducted did not have that or

4963
03:08:36,550 --> 03:08:33,920
kidnapped or anything but i just knew

4964
03:08:40,070 --> 03:08:36,560
that i didn't want to be taken away

4965
03:08:42,550 --> 03:08:40,080
and i um and i would uh argue that the

4966
03:08:44,950 --> 03:08:42,560
thing under the under the the bad bad

4967
03:08:48,630 --> 03:08:44,960
guy under the bed kind of thing or a

4968
03:08:51,110 --> 03:08:48,640
closet no i was apparently very rather

4969
03:08:51,950 --> 03:08:51,120
courageous because i got up and looked

4970
03:08:53,349 --> 03:08:51,960
in that closet

4971
03:08:56,150 --> 03:08:53,359
[Laughter]

4972
03:08:57,269 --> 03:08:56,160
just to prove my brother wrong and uh

4973
03:08:59,910 --> 03:08:57,279
let me see

4974
03:09:02,550 --> 03:08:59,920
it's a lot it's a lot these things are

4975
03:09:05,110 --> 03:09:02,560
very rarely chronological they're messy

4976
03:09:07,349 --> 03:09:05,120
they're again they're snippets of things

4977
03:09:10,309 --> 03:09:07,359
that we sometimes try to

4978
03:09:12,950 --> 03:09:10,319
push down or um don't want to remember

4979
03:09:15,030 --> 03:09:12,960
but yeah that's all very interesting yes

4980
03:09:17,830 --> 03:09:15,040
the whole missing bloody noses bloody

4981
03:09:19,670 --> 03:09:17,840
nose thing we come across that a lot in

4982
03:09:21,830 --> 03:09:19,680
researching the uh quote-unquote

4983
03:09:23,030 --> 03:09:21,840
abduction phenomenon thanks for filling

4984
03:09:27,030 --> 03:09:23,040
in yeah

4985
03:09:28,230 --> 03:09:27,040
uh i i saw a

4986
03:09:29,510 --> 03:09:28,240
cartoon

4987
03:09:31,910 --> 03:09:29,520
because i was really worried about being

4988
03:09:36,070 --> 03:09:31,920
taken away i don't know why

4989
03:09:37,910 --> 03:09:36,080
i saw this cartoon of a a teddy bear

4990
03:09:40,469 --> 03:09:37,920
that that was a

4991
03:09:42,309 --> 03:09:40,479
paper cartoon teddy bear and then and

4992
03:09:43,670 --> 03:09:42,319
then teddy bear some bad people were

4993
03:09:46,630 --> 03:09:43,680
going to take these people the teddy

4994
03:09:50,389 --> 03:09:46,640
bear became a big bear and protected him

4995
03:09:52,230 --> 03:09:50,399
i that was very that was help i thought

4996
03:09:53,990 --> 03:09:52,240
i thought of the teddy bear every time

4997
03:09:56,710 --> 03:09:54,000
that would grow into a grizzly bear and

4998
03:09:58,790 --> 03:09:56,720
those children were not being taken away

4999
03:09:59,670 --> 03:09:58,800
they were kidnappers i had a word for it

5000
03:10:01,990 --> 03:09:59,680
then

5001
03:10:03,990 --> 03:10:02,000
so i there you go that's those are some

5002
03:10:05,269 --> 03:10:04,000
experiences of mine

5003
03:10:08,550 --> 03:10:05,279
thank you thank you so much thank you

5004
03:10:10,950 --> 03:10:08,560
very much welcome appreciate that

5005
03:10:12,950 --> 03:10:10,960
hey how you doing i'll make this quick i

5006
03:10:15,190 --> 03:10:12,960
live in new jersey by fort dix for

5007
03:10:16,790 --> 03:10:15,200
mcguire fort uh

5008
03:10:18,710 --> 03:10:16,800
lakehurst naval station they're all

5009
03:10:20,389 --> 03:10:18,720
together right i'm sure you heard about

5010
03:10:22,309 --> 03:10:20,399
the paneling getting killed in fort dix

5011
03:10:23,110 --> 03:10:22,319
way back and stuff

5012
03:10:25,110 --> 03:10:23,120
um

5013
03:10:26,950 --> 03:10:25,120
this was back in august this year this

5014
03:10:29,030 --> 03:10:26,960
is what led me here as my first ufo

5015
03:10:31,110 --> 03:10:29,040
conference ever i went outside of my

5016
03:10:33,750 --> 03:10:31,120
mother's house right talking on the

5017
03:10:35,429 --> 03:10:33,760
phone there's a little woods a service

5018
03:10:37,990 --> 03:10:35,439
road and then this big garden parking

5019
03:10:39,429 --> 03:10:38,000
lot power lines in front of me i walk

5020
03:10:41,429 --> 03:10:39,439
out there talking to my cousin i'm

5021
03:10:42,790 --> 03:10:41,439
looking up i think at 8 10 a movie was

5022
03:10:44,950 --> 03:10:42,800
coming on so at 8 o'clock i knew i had

5023
03:10:46,790 --> 03:10:44,960
like 10 minutes i look up and you see a

5024
03:10:49,190 --> 03:10:46,800
plane flying in the air and i look over

5025
03:10:50,550 --> 03:10:49,200
to the left in a lane approaching

5026
03:10:51,990 --> 03:10:50,560
and i remember whatever she was saying

5027
03:10:53,510 --> 03:10:52,000
i'm like wow i said this thing's like

5028
03:10:55,269 --> 03:10:53,520
really bright you know

5029
03:10:57,269 --> 03:10:55,279
and she's like maybe it's a ufo we

5030
03:10:59,830 --> 03:10:57,279
laughed and when i took a step back i

5031
03:11:01,990 --> 03:10:59,840
remember the power lines the plane moved

5032
03:11:04,870 --> 03:11:02,000
under it because my head moved well this

5033
03:11:06,710 --> 03:11:04,880
light like almost followed my head

5034
03:11:08,070 --> 03:11:06,720
and i'm laughing i'm joking and this

5035
03:11:10,550 --> 03:11:08,080
thing started getting closer and closer

5036
03:11:12,469 --> 03:11:10,560
now my heart started pounding and i'm

5037
03:11:14,309 --> 03:11:12,479
saying this can't be happening so

5038
03:11:15,429 --> 03:11:14,319
instead of running like i was i stopped

5039
03:11:16,950 --> 03:11:15,439
they said let's see if it's really

5040
03:11:19,349 --> 03:11:16,960
coming after me and this thing was

5041
03:11:20,950 --> 03:11:19,359
coming straight over me so now i ran

5042
03:11:22,790 --> 03:11:20,960
when i got to the beginning of the trail

5043
03:11:24,469 --> 03:11:22,800
i looked up and it was gone

5044
03:11:26,790 --> 03:11:24,479
i don't know what made me look up but

5045
03:11:27,830 --> 03:11:26,800
about 200 feet over my head was a ball

5046
03:11:29,750 --> 03:11:27,840
of light

5047
03:11:31,670 --> 03:11:29,760
and you could see something moving and i

5048
03:11:32,630 --> 03:11:31,680
entered a completely different level of

5049
03:11:36,309 --> 03:11:32,640
fear

5050
03:11:37,910 --> 03:11:36,319
and i took off well you said before bro

5051
03:11:40,150 --> 03:11:37,920
probably after two steps i felt like

5052
03:11:41,269 --> 03:11:40,160
somebody poured cement on me and i could

5053
03:11:43,349 --> 03:11:41,279
barely

5054
03:11:45,190 --> 03:11:43,359
get to the garage i was dragging my feet

5055
03:11:46,389 --> 03:11:45,200
across the sidewalk as i was trying to

5056
03:11:48,150 --> 03:11:46,399
like run in

5057
03:11:49,510 --> 03:11:48,160
and when i got into the garage about a

5058
03:11:51,269 --> 03:11:49,520
two or three feet and i felt like i got

5059
03:11:52,950 --> 03:11:51,279
everything back

5060
03:11:54,950 --> 03:11:52,960
fell on the ground

5061
03:11:56,790 --> 03:11:54,960
got up ran in the house my mother sees

5062
03:11:58,950 --> 03:11:56,800
me all in a panic

5063
03:12:00,710 --> 03:11:58,960
i don't know what to say

5064
03:12:03,349 --> 03:12:00,720
you know i'm looking out the windows and

5065
03:12:05,510 --> 03:12:03,359
everything and then she's like uh i

5066
03:12:06,790 --> 03:12:05,520
thought you'd be back earlier

5067
03:12:08,389 --> 03:12:06,800
i said what do you mean now i hear the

5068
03:12:10,230 --> 03:12:08,399
phone ringing it's my phone i don't have

5069
03:12:11,830 --> 03:12:10,240
it on me no it's in the garage i go it's

5070
03:12:14,150 --> 03:12:11,840
under my mother's truck

5071
03:12:15,910 --> 03:12:14,160
i pick it up and she's like what's all

5072
03:12:17,670 --> 03:12:15,920
the commotion out there and everything

5073
03:12:19,110 --> 03:12:17,680
there's helicopters flying in the back

5074
03:12:21,110 --> 03:12:19,120
around everything and then it dawned on

5075
03:12:24,790 --> 03:12:21,120
me it was pitch black out

5076
03:12:26,309 --> 03:12:24,800
50 47 minutes of my life was gone ran

5077
03:12:27,910 --> 03:12:26,319
off the clock

5078
03:12:29,429 --> 03:12:27,920
the question i have for you is people

5079
03:12:31,110 --> 03:12:29,439
told me you should go to hip

5080
03:12:32,230 --> 03:12:31,120
hypnotherapy or something other people

5081
03:12:33,750 --> 03:12:32,240
tell me not it's like i don't know

5082
03:12:35,429 --> 03:12:33,760
whether i want to know what happened

5083
03:12:38,070 --> 03:12:35,439
because it blows me away that i can

5084
03:12:39,670 --> 03:12:38,080
remember every second from when i seen

5085
03:12:41,590 --> 03:12:39,680
it to the garage

5086
03:12:43,030 --> 03:12:41,600
but 47 minutes

5087
03:12:45,510 --> 03:12:43,040
ran off the clock

5088
03:12:46,950 --> 03:12:45,520
incredible but if you recommend it i

5089
03:12:48,389 --> 03:12:46,960
don't know still like up in the air if i

5090
03:12:50,230 --> 03:12:48,399
even want to know what happened i never

5091
03:12:51,590 --> 03:12:50,240
saw a ufo before i don't even know what

5092
03:12:53,429 --> 03:12:51,600
this thing was

5093
03:12:55,510 --> 03:12:53,439
but wow that's my story that's

5094
03:12:58,389 --> 03:12:55,520
incredible thank you for sharing uh and

5095
03:12:59,510 --> 03:12:58,399
i will just add in terms of hypnotherapy

5096
03:13:01,670 --> 03:12:59,520
um

5097
03:13:03,910 --> 03:13:01,680
it's tough it's

5098
03:13:06,550 --> 03:13:03,920
i think again it's up to the individual

5099
03:13:08,950 --> 03:13:06,560
i don't uh promote it i also don't

5100
03:13:10,469 --> 03:13:08,960
condemn it by any means if you wanted if

5101
03:13:11,910 --> 03:13:10,479
you if that's something you want to do

5102
03:13:14,870 --> 03:13:11,920
to try to

5103
03:13:17,429 --> 03:13:14,880
get some stuff out i say go for it but

5104
03:13:18,870 --> 03:13:17,439
at the same time it's hard it's hard

5105
03:13:20,150 --> 03:13:18,880
because

5106
03:13:21,269 --> 03:13:20,160
you have to trust the person you're

5107
03:13:22,790 --> 03:13:21,279
going to

5108
03:13:25,110 --> 03:13:22,800
you have to make sure that there's no

5109
03:13:27,269 --> 03:13:25,120
sort of contamination or leading

5110
03:13:28,710 --> 03:13:27,279
questions when it comes to all that and

5111
03:13:31,110 --> 03:13:28,720
it also

5112
03:13:34,070 --> 03:13:31,120
if you want to remember what happened is

5113
03:13:35,910 --> 03:13:34,080
another big one um if you're if you're

5114
03:13:38,389 --> 03:13:35,920
good with what you remember

5115
03:13:41,510 --> 03:13:38,399
i say that's enough for me that that

5116
03:13:43,910 --> 03:13:41,520
event clearly had an impact on you

5117
03:13:46,309 --> 03:13:43,920
and i say run with that

5118
03:13:47,590 --> 03:13:46,319
not to make light of any any situation

5119
03:13:50,309 --> 03:13:47,600
like that but

5120
03:13:51,510 --> 03:13:50,319
you know i i've certainly been

5121
03:13:55,269 --> 03:13:51,520
told by

5122
03:13:56,950 --> 03:13:55,279
many many many people over the years at

5123
03:13:59,030 --> 03:13:56,960
ufo conferences

5124
03:14:00,150 --> 03:13:59,040
that

5125
03:14:02,150 --> 03:14:00,160
they

5126
03:14:03,110 --> 03:14:02,160
can fill in blanks for me

5127
03:14:08,309 --> 03:14:03,120
and

5128
03:14:10,950 --> 03:14:08,319
have informed me that i'm a collaborator

5129
03:14:12,550 --> 03:14:10,960
collaborator with extraterrestrials and

5130
03:14:14,070 --> 03:14:12,560
they've been aboard the same ships i

5131
03:14:16,469 --> 03:14:14,080
have and i've been been a commander

5132
03:14:18,550 --> 03:14:16,479
aboard a ship and and they were taken

5133
03:14:19,510 --> 03:14:18,560
the the same night i was there and they

5134
03:14:21,830 --> 03:14:19,520
saw me working with the

5135
03:14:24,790 --> 03:14:21,840
extraterrestrials so i've heard that

5136
03:14:26,150 --> 03:14:24,800
story multiple times so

5137
03:14:27,510 --> 03:14:26,160
i hear it without going to

5138
03:14:29,750 --> 03:14:27,520
hypnotherapists i know a lot of

5139
03:14:31,750 --> 03:14:29,760
hypnotherapists

5140
03:14:32,790 --> 03:14:31,760
yvonne smith is a good one i would

5141
03:14:34,550 --> 03:14:32,800
recommend if you're looking for

5142
03:14:35,429 --> 03:14:34,560
something like that

5143
03:14:37,190 --> 03:14:35,439
but

5144
03:14:40,389 --> 03:14:37,200
i i don't know i would take it with a

5145
03:14:43,110 --> 03:14:40,399
grain of salt yeah go to an actual

5146
03:14:44,309 --> 03:14:43,120
therapist too if you know ivan does good

5147
03:14:46,150 --> 03:14:44,319
work yeah

5148
03:14:48,469 --> 03:14:46,160
yeah if someone who's completely

5149
03:14:51,110 --> 03:14:48,479
disconnected from the ufo topic might be

5150
03:14:53,190 --> 03:14:51,120
a good choice or again yeah deal with it

5151
03:14:55,590 --> 03:14:53,200
on your own terms i guess yeah that's

5152
03:14:57,750 --> 03:14:55,600
right yeah that's good advice

5153
03:15:00,070 --> 03:14:57,760
hello hello

5154
03:15:02,389 --> 03:15:00,080
um this this happened about

5155
03:15:05,349 --> 03:15:02,399
three years ago

5156
03:15:07,030 --> 03:15:05,359
and in ashburn virginia it's not too far

5157
03:15:08,229 --> 03:15:07,040
from dulles airport

5158
03:15:10,950 --> 03:15:08,239
and

5159
03:15:13,429 --> 03:15:10,960
this was at nighttime about 8 30 or so i

5160
03:15:15,269 --> 03:15:13,439
was picking my daughter up from work and

5161
03:15:16,790 --> 03:15:15,279
i just always have a habit of just

5162
03:15:18,150 --> 03:15:16,800
looking up at night i don't know why i

5163
03:15:19,429 --> 03:15:18,160
just always do

5164
03:15:20,870 --> 03:15:19,439
and

5165
03:15:24,229 --> 03:15:20,880
i noticed

5166
03:15:25,990 --> 03:15:24,239
12 objects in the sky

5167
03:15:28,790 --> 03:15:26,000
and i was like okay this is kind of

5168
03:15:30,790 --> 03:15:28,800
strange because there were 12 um

5169
03:15:33,030 --> 03:15:30,800
i would say flying sausage but like 12

5170
03:15:34,630 --> 03:15:33,040
disc like objects they were all kind of

5171
03:15:36,710 --> 03:15:34,640
bunched together

5172
03:15:39,429 --> 03:15:36,720
and they had like it was like red white

5173
03:15:40,630 --> 03:15:39,439
and green lights and they were traveling

5174
03:15:42,710 --> 03:15:40,640
as a bunch

5175
03:15:44,150 --> 03:15:42,720
and i told my kids i had my kids in the

5176
03:15:45,750 --> 03:15:44,160
car um

5177
03:15:49,030 --> 03:15:45,760
i was like look you know look what is

5178
03:15:51,110 --> 03:15:49,040
that and they're like oh no and so we we

5179
03:15:52,710 --> 03:15:51,120
watched them for a minute and as i was

5180
03:15:53,750 --> 03:15:52,720
driving i kept looking i'm like what's

5181
03:15:55,830 --> 03:15:53,760
going on

5182
03:15:58,309 --> 03:15:55,840
and then all of a sudden it was like

5183
03:16:00,710 --> 03:15:58,319
there was a sudden drop

5184
03:16:02,389 --> 03:16:00,720
and then they darted off in different

5185
03:16:04,389 --> 03:16:02,399
directions quickly

5186
03:16:06,229 --> 03:16:04,399
and i've never seen anything like that

5187
03:16:08,469 --> 03:16:06,239
i'm like planes don't travel like that

5188
03:16:10,469 --> 03:16:08,479
and planes wouldn't you know do what

5189
03:16:13,349 --> 03:16:10,479
what i saw i'm like what in the world is

5190
03:16:14,550 --> 03:16:13,359
that and we were um

5191
03:16:16,309 --> 03:16:14,560
as i was driving i was like oh my

5192
03:16:18,070 --> 03:16:16,319
goodness i'm so scared i just want to

5193
03:16:19,429 --> 03:16:18,080
hurry up and get in my house because i

5194
03:16:20,790 --> 03:16:19,439
didn't know what was going on i called

5195
03:16:22,150 --> 03:16:20,800
my husband at work he thought i was

5196
03:16:23,590 --> 03:16:22,160
crazy i'm like there's something going

5197
03:16:25,030 --> 03:16:23,600
on in the sky i don't know if you don't

5198
03:16:27,429 --> 03:16:25,040
hear from me again this is what's going

5199
03:16:33,750 --> 03:16:28,469
and

5200
03:16:35,670 --> 03:16:33,760
everybody's like oh you're crazy you're

5201
03:16:37,750 --> 03:16:35,680
crazy there's nothing you know and we're

5202
03:16:40,309 --> 03:16:37,760
so close to dulles it was planes i'm

5203
03:16:42,070 --> 03:16:40,319
like no it's not planes and i have a

5204
03:16:43,510 --> 03:16:42,080
cousin who's a pilot and i was telling

5205
03:16:45,590 --> 03:16:43,520
him about it he's like no planes don't

5206
03:16:48,550 --> 03:16:45,600
act like that so i don't know what it

5207
03:16:51,269 --> 03:16:48,560
was but it it really scared me yeah it's

5208
03:16:54,150 --> 03:16:51,279
it's i feel like it's in our nature to

5209
03:16:55,590 --> 03:16:54,160
uh to have that defense first you know

5210
03:16:57,269 --> 03:16:55,600
we see something we don't know what it

5211
03:16:59,670 --> 03:16:57,279
is we can't explain it's gonna be a

5212
03:17:01,349 --> 03:16:59,680
threat possibly a threat you know

5213
03:17:03,830 --> 03:17:01,359
whereas some people you know like

5214
03:17:05,349 --> 03:17:03,840
someone like travis walton saw a ufo and

5215
03:17:06,870 --> 03:17:05,359
was like i'm going to go i'm going to go

5216
03:17:08,950 --> 03:17:06,880
out and i want to see what's going on

5217
03:17:11,110 --> 03:17:08,960
with this thing so those are rare

5218
03:17:13,030 --> 03:17:11,120
occasions i would say when that that

5219
03:17:15,349 --> 03:17:13,040
wonder all and excitement takes over it

5220
03:17:16,790 --> 03:17:15,359
was it was just it was scary and i guess

5221
03:17:18,950 --> 03:17:16,800
what really scared me is the fact that

5222
03:17:21,110 --> 03:17:18,960
there were so many of them because i i

5223
03:17:22,950 --> 03:17:21,120
stopped counting at 12. there may have

5224
03:17:24,550 --> 03:17:22,960
been more than that but the fact that

5225
03:17:26,229 --> 03:17:24,560
they were just you know they were all

5226
03:17:28,070 --> 03:17:26,239
kind of traveling together for a minute

5227
03:17:30,150 --> 03:17:28,080
and they just darted i mean like a

5228
03:17:32,469 --> 03:17:30,160
sudden drop almost and then this one

5229
03:17:35,030 --> 03:17:32,479
went here and this one i mean this in

5230
03:17:38,389 --> 03:17:35,040
different directions quickly interesting

5231
03:17:39,590 --> 03:17:38,399
wow so wow thank you thank you and with

5232
03:17:41,990 --> 03:17:39,600
how

5233
03:17:43,670 --> 03:17:42,000
common ufos are i mean they're seen

5234
03:17:44,550 --> 03:17:43,680
every day by

5235
03:17:45,990 --> 03:17:44,560
people

5236
03:17:49,030 --> 03:17:46,000
all over the world you know it's

5237
03:17:51,190 --> 03:17:49,040
fascinating and sad that we still

5238
03:17:53,750 --> 03:17:51,200
have to deal with the ridicule factor

5239
03:17:55,269 --> 03:17:53,760
it's still so strong i mean

5240
03:17:57,190 --> 03:17:55,279
you know i'm sure many of us have had

5241
03:17:58,389 --> 03:17:57,200
that reaction at work telling telling

5242
03:18:00,790 --> 03:17:58,399
people a story or something that

5243
03:18:02,550 --> 03:18:00,800
happened to us and getting that getting

5244
03:18:04,550 --> 03:18:02,560
that laugh getting the ridicule i have

5245
03:18:06,870 --> 03:18:04,560
lost so many second dates bringing up

5246
03:18:08,070 --> 03:18:06,880
this topic

5247
03:18:09,910 --> 03:18:08,080
it's a good way to weed out a date

5248
03:18:12,070 --> 03:18:09,920
though it is it's true it really is a

5249
03:18:13,190 --> 03:18:12,080
good filtering mechanism i guess for

5250
03:18:14,070 --> 03:18:13,200
sure

5251
03:18:16,630 --> 03:18:14,080
hi

5252
03:18:18,309 --> 03:18:16,640
mine is more of an experience that i

5253
03:18:20,950 --> 03:18:18,319
can't explain

5254
03:18:23,030 --> 03:18:20,960
um i'm a few decades older than you guys

5255
03:18:25,750 --> 03:18:23,040
but this uh first part of this that

5256
03:18:27,910 --> 03:18:25,760
happened in the 50s and unlike most

5257
03:18:30,070 --> 03:18:27,920
people i can remember my childhood very

5258
03:18:32,630 --> 03:18:30,080
vividly and i was very precocious and

5259
03:18:33,990 --> 03:18:32,640
active walked at seven months started

5260
03:18:36,070 --> 03:18:34,000
knocking things off the top of the

5261
03:18:37,110 --> 03:18:36,080
refrigerator by climbing up right after

5262
03:18:39,910 --> 03:18:37,120
that

5263
03:18:41,590 --> 03:18:39,920
so i was about two and we were traveling

5264
03:18:43,110 --> 03:18:41,600
through missouri

5265
03:18:47,110 --> 03:18:43,120
and i heard my

5266
03:18:49,510 --> 03:18:47,120
say look at that look at that

5267
03:18:51,030 --> 03:18:49,520
and he says what is that and he and my

5268
03:18:52,790 --> 03:18:51,040
mother got out

5269
03:18:54,550 --> 03:18:52,800
they stopped the car and got out to look

5270
03:18:55,830 --> 03:18:54,560
at whatever it was and i thought well i

5271
03:18:58,070 --> 03:18:55,840
want to see it too you know i'm just

5272
03:18:59,830 --> 03:18:58,080
rambunctious i got to be in everything

5273
03:19:02,550 --> 03:18:59,840
but the whole time i felt like something

5274
03:19:04,870 --> 03:19:02,560
was pressing me down on the back seat

5275
03:19:05,750 --> 03:19:04,880
and i couldn't get up and then i went to

5276
03:19:06,630 --> 03:19:05,760
sleep

5277
03:19:08,790 --> 03:19:06,640
now

5278
03:19:11,190 --> 03:19:08,800
jump forward a couple of years i lived

5279
03:19:13,990 --> 03:19:11,200
in very isolated areas we didn't have a

5280
03:19:15,830 --> 03:19:14,000
television i had no exposure

5281
03:19:17,510 --> 03:19:15,840
to anything that would be considered

5282
03:19:19,910 --> 03:19:17,520
science fiction or anything else

5283
03:19:22,229 --> 03:19:19,920
although i think my father had taken

5284
03:19:24,229 --> 03:19:22,239
some astronomy had a phd so that was one

5285
03:19:27,590 --> 03:19:24,239
of the courses he took

5286
03:19:31,030 --> 03:19:27,600
but when i was five i had this really

5287
03:19:32,389 --> 03:19:31,040
vivid dream i can still visualize it

5288
03:19:33,670 --> 03:19:32,399
and it was something i couldn't

5289
03:19:35,510 --> 03:19:33,680
understand

5290
03:19:37,510 --> 03:19:35,520
and i didn't have the vocabulary to

5291
03:19:39,750 --> 03:19:37,520
explain it which you know makes me feel

5292
03:19:42,550 --> 03:19:39,760
a little bit sympathetic towards the

5293
03:19:44,229 --> 03:19:42,560
stories of uh encounters from the bible

5294
03:19:46,790 --> 03:19:44,239
and whatnot because they didn't have the

5295
03:19:49,110 --> 03:19:46,800
technical language either but i tried to

5296
03:19:51,269 --> 03:19:49,120
tell my father about it after i woke up

5297
03:19:53,830 --> 03:19:51,279
and i'm giving him these detailed and

5298
03:19:55,670 --> 03:19:53,840
you know descriptions and he kind of

5299
03:19:57,110 --> 03:19:55,680
teared up he says what you just

5300
03:19:58,309 --> 03:19:57,120
described

5301
03:20:01,670 --> 03:19:58,319
was

5302
03:20:04,150 --> 03:20:01,680
a spaceship going around mars and the

5303
03:20:05,910 --> 03:20:04,160
two smaller items were phobos and demos

5304
03:20:07,750 --> 03:20:05,920
which are the moons

5305
03:20:09,830 --> 03:20:07,760
i had never heard of anything like that

5306
03:20:13,590 --> 03:20:09,840
but it was just

5307
03:20:15,990 --> 03:20:13,600
really vivid so i don't know if some

5308
03:20:17,990 --> 03:20:16,000
information was implanted or how that

5309
03:20:20,070 --> 03:20:18,000
would have come about but that's my

5310
03:20:21,910 --> 03:20:20,080
story it's fantastic thank you for

5311
03:20:24,630 --> 03:20:21,920
sharing thank you

5312
03:20:26,150 --> 03:20:24,640
yeah there's always a interesting

5313
03:20:27,750 --> 03:20:26,160
physiological

5314
03:20:29,910 --> 03:20:27,760
effect too i think a lot of these times

5315
03:20:32,469 --> 03:20:29,920
are even parapsychological

5316
03:20:33,990 --> 03:20:32,479
i've come across cases where people have

5317
03:20:34,710 --> 03:20:34,000
said that

5318
03:20:53,110 --> 03:20:34,720
i

5319
03:20:55,830 --> 03:20:53,120
don't know what to make of that the

5320
03:20:57,590 --> 03:20:55,840
motives of these craft or these

5321
03:21:00,870 --> 03:20:57,600
intelligence but it's

5322
03:21:02,630 --> 03:21:00,880
it really is a wide spectrum for sure

5323
03:21:04,790 --> 03:21:02,640
and i just thought of something another

5324
03:21:05,510 --> 03:21:04,800
thing i like to point people to when

5325
03:21:07,030 --> 03:21:05,520
they

5326
03:21:09,750 --> 03:21:07,040
ask that question about how do i see a

5327
03:21:11,910 --> 03:21:09,760
ufo where do i go to see ufo

5328
03:21:14,870 --> 03:21:11,920
more times than not when you read and

5329
03:21:15,670 --> 03:21:14,880
again ufos are in mainstream media every

5330
03:21:17,030 --> 03:21:15,680
day

5331
03:21:20,070 --> 03:21:17,040
more times than not the stories that are

5332
03:21:22,790 --> 03:21:20,080
reported of people having ufo sightings

5333
03:21:25,990 --> 03:21:22,800
involve people walking their dogs so

5334
03:21:30,150 --> 03:21:27,990
so that's a good way to do it and i also

5335
03:21:32,550 --> 03:21:30,160
want to say again with the the ufos

5336
03:21:35,349 --> 03:21:32,560
being in the mainstream media

5337
03:21:37,110 --> 03:21:35,359
there has been a lot of uh a lot of the

5338
03:21:38,710 --> 03:21:37,120
coverage lately has has been pointing

5339
03:21:41,510 --> 03:21:38,720
out how

5340
03:21:43,510 --> 03:21:41,520
the numbers of of ufo sightings are down

5341
03:21:45,590 --> 03:21:43,520
there's there's been a decline

5342
03:21:47,429 --> 03:21:45,600
and i would caution you

5343
03:21:49,190 --> 03:21:47,439
to read that properly so

5344
03:21:51,349 --> 03:21:49,200
what they're looking at is the number of

5345
03:21:53,349 --> 03:21:51,359
reported sightings

5346
03:21:55,830 --> 03:21:53,359
and i will say this

5347
03:21:58,389 --> 03:21:55,840
having mentioned that i've had my

5348
03:22:00,550 --> 03:21:58,399
12 plus sightings you know how many i've

5349
03:22:02,229 --> 03:22:00,560
reported

5350
03:22:02,950 --> 03:22:02,239
most people who see ufos don't report

5351
03:22:03,670 --> 03:22:02,960
them

5352
03:22:05,750 --> 03:22:03,680
so

5353
03:22:08,550 --> 03:22:05,760
that number is misleading i didn't know

5354
03:22:11,349 --> 03:22:08,560
what mufon was when i was 12 years old

5355
03:22:12,550 --> 03:22:11,359
you know a lot of people don't you you

5356
03:22:15,110 --> 03:22:12,560
the famous

5357
03:22:17,429 --> 03:22:15,120
ufo lecturer stanton friedman nuclear

5358
03:22:19,349 --> 03:22:17,439
physicist when he speaks at events he

5359
03:22:22,710 --> 03:22:19,359
will ask the audience like how many

5360
03:22:24,870 --> 03:22:22,720
people have seen a ufo 95 of the people

5361
03:22:28,229 --> 03:22:24,880
raised their hands and then he says how

5362
03:22:29,030 --> 03:22:28,239
many of you reported it maybe one person

5363
03:22:36,309 --> 03:22:29,040
so

5364
03:22:39,269 --> 03:22:36,319
totally get it you know you're afraid of

5365
03:22:41,190 --> 03:22:39,279
what people might think or maybe you

5366
03:22:43,590 --> 03:22:41,200
came up with an explanation for it

5367
03:22:44,870 --> 03:22:43,600
before you reported it or maybe you just

5368
03:22:47,269 --> 03:22:44,880
don't want to know but at the end of the

5369
03:22:48,790 --> 03:22:47,279
day i think yeah if you want if you see

5370
03:22:50,790 --> 03:22:48,800
something say something that's what they

5371
03:22:52,070 --> 03:22:50,800
tell us in new york and i i encourage

5372
03:22:54,150 --> 03:22:52,080
people to report their sightings

5373
03:22:56,070 --> 03:22:54,160
absolutely and that data is valuable and

5374
03:22:58,790 --> 03:22:56,080
i think mufon and the national ufo

5375
03:23:00,630 --> 03:22:58,800
reporting center do a fantastic job they

5376
03:23:02,389 --> 03:23:00,640
they do a great job of tracking this

5377
03:23:04,309 --> 03:23:02,399
stuff it's stuff that should be tracked

5378
03:23:05,830 --> 03:23:04,319
is it exciting when people say i saw a

5379
03:23:07,190 --> 03:23:05,840
light in the sky no it's not but it's

5380
03:23:09,190 --> 03:23:07,200
still data that somebody should be

5381
03:23:10,630 --> 03:23:09,200
tracking and i'm glad that they do it

5382
03:23:12,870 --> 03:23:10,640
um

5383
03:23:14,710 --> 03:23:12,880
that being said when you take a look at

5384
03:23:17,349 --> 03:23:14,720
these reporting forms some of them are

5385
03:23:19,349 --> 03:23:17,359
very lengthy and that's probably why i

5386
03:23:20,229 --> 03:23:19,359
haven't reported mine because they

5387
03:23:22,630 --> 03:23:20,239
wanted

5388
03:23:24,550 --> 03:23:22,640
to fill out and they should be i mean

5389
03:23:26,150 --> 03:23:24,560
there's more to ufo sighting than i saw

5390
03:23:27,830 --> 03:23:26,160
light in the sky at this this time in

5391
03:23:29,670 --> 03:23:27,840
the state so yeah

5392
03:23:32,550 --> 03:23:29,680
at the end of the day i think too

5393
03:23:34,710 --> 03:23:32,560
reporting it uh normalizes this topic

5394
03:23:37,990 --> 03:23:34,720
more and more when we see everyday

5395
03:23:41,269 --> 03:23:38,000
people i have spoken to so many

5396
03:23:44,070 --> 03:23:41,279
police officers military people doctors

5397
03:23:45,830 --> 03:23:44,080
teachers psychologists everyone everyone

5398
03:23:48,229 --> 03:23:45,840
has a story to tell of seeing something

5399
03:23:50,070 --> 03:23:48,239
weird so i think you know reporting it

5400
03:23:52,870 --> 03:23:50,080
even if it's like to your local

5401
03:23:55,750 --> 03:23:52,880
newspaper or whatnot it normalizes this

5402
03:23:57,349 --> 03:23:55,760
topic it strips the ridicule from it and

5403
03:23:59,590 --> 03:23:57,359
i think we can start having better

5404
03:24:01,750 --> 03:23:59,600
conversations with more people about

5405
03:24:03,349 --> 03:24:01,760
this i mean just look at this room right

5406
03:24:05,269 --> 03:24:03,359
now these are so many people that you

5407
03:24:06,950 --> 03:24:05,279
could talk to about having seen

5408
03:24:09,030 --> 03:24:06,960
something no matter what it was maybe

5409
03:24:10,950 --> 03:24:09,040
they could help you find an explanation

5410
03:24:12,389 --> 03:24:10,960
for it but uh conferences are a great

5411
03:24:14,469 --> 03:24:12,399
great place to do that they're like a

5412
03:24:17,030 --> 03:24:14,479
safe space where

5413
03:24:19,030 --> 03:24:17,040
all the similarly minded people are in a

5414
03:24:20,710 --> 03:24:19,040
room and the ridicule factor is is not

5415
03:24:23,590 --> 03:24:20,720
going to exist here but i will say the

5416
03:24:25,110 --> 03:24:23,600
stigma is is going away

5417
03:24:27,910 --> 03:24:25,120
it might not feel like it at times but

5418
03:24:30,389 --> 03:24:27,920
it is dramatically improving and look i

5419
03:24:32,710 --> 03:24:30,399
mean again alien con is a perfect

5420
03:24:35,030 --> 03:24:32,720
illustration of that ufos and and

5421
03:24:36,229 --> 03:24:35,040
extraterrestrial topics have moved into

5422
03:24:38,229 --> 03:24:36,239
pop culture

5423
03:24:41,429 --> 03:24:38,239
you know so it's accepted now poll after

5424
03:24:44,950 --> 03:24:41,439
poll indicates that you know majority of

5425
03:24:48,229 --> 03:24:44,960
people on this planet believe that uh

5426
03:24:50,870 --> 03:24:48,239
extraterrestrials exist and most likely

5427
03:24:52,229 --> 03:24:50,880
have been here and may be here now

5428
03:24:54,389 --> 03:24:52,239
so

5429
03:24:55,830 --> 03:24:54,399
you know that initial reaction

5430
03:24:58,389 --> 03:24:55,840
with people is going to stick around for

5431
03:25:00,550 --> 03:24:58,399
a while uh the the the giggle factor the

5432
03:25:03,110 --> 03:25:00,560
ridicule factor can tell you how many

5433
03:25:05,110 --> 03:25:03,120
people hear us when they hear that we

5434
03:25:07,590 --> 03:25:05,120
are taking ufos seriously they breathe a

5435
03:25:09,830 --> 03:25:07,600
big sigh of relief and then open up but

5436
03:25:11,349 --> 03:25:09,840
their initial reaction is to laugh

5437
03:25:13,830 --> 03:25:11,359
because they think we're kidding yeah

5438
03:25:15,830 --> 03:25:13,840
when we say that you know we take ufo

5439
03:25:17,429 --> 03:25:15,840
seriously and when they find out that

5440
03:25:19,590 --> 03:25:17,439
we're serious then they can let their

5441
03:25:20,870 --> 03:25:19,600
guard down and go all right they're not

5442
03:25:23,190 --> 03:25:20,880
going to make fun of me

5443
03:25:25,750 --> 03:25:23,200
so it's a nice feeling it really is yeah

5444
03:25:27,990 --> 03:25:25,760
i remember my parents came to see me

5445
03:25:30,550 --> 03:25:28,000
talk at a ufo conference for the first

5446
03:25:32,630 --> 03:25:30,560
time ever and uh

5447
03:25:34,309 --> 03:25:32,640
skeptics again they

5448
03:25:36,309 --> 03:25:34,319
they grew up knowing i was interested in

5449
03:25:39,830 --> 03:25:36,319
the topic i don't think they knew how

5450
03:25:42,309 --> 03:25:39,840
serious i actually was about it but uh

5451
03:25:44,469 --> 03:25:42,319
they came to see me speak in new york

5452
03:25:46,309 --> 03:25:44,479
last year i think it was and

5453
03:25:48,389 --> 03:25:46,319
afterwards my mother came up to me and

5454
03:25:50,550 --> 03:25:48,399
i've never seen her so brutally honest

5455
03:25:52,309 --> 03:25:50,560
and she looked at me and said this is

5456
03:25:55,429 --> 03:25:52,319
real like th

5457
03:25:57,429 --> 03:25:55,439
this like this stuff is real

5458
03:25:59,670 --> 03:25:57,439
and i was like yeah i mean according to

5459
03:26:01,269 --> 03:25:59,680
the data and the evidence and what i've

5460
03:26:02,950 --> 03:26:01,279
looked at and the people i've spoken to

5461
03:26:04,790 --> 03:26:02,960
i legitimately believe this is a real

5462
03:26:07,110 --> 03:26:04,800
phenomenon people are having these

5463
03:26:08,870 --> 03:26:07,120
experiences i don't know what it is but

5464
03:26:10,790 --> 03:26:08,880
it's happening and it's happening all

5465
03:26:12,630 --> 03:26:10,800
over the world and this isn't just a

5466
03:26:14,630 --> 03:26:12,640
western phenomenon

5467
03:26:16,710 --> 03:26:14,640
other countries embrace this topic that

5468
03:26:18,950 --> 03:26:16,720
ridicule factor is nowhere to be found

5469
03:26:20,950 --> 03:26:18,960
so i think if we do that here where

5470
03:26:23,830 --> 03:26:20,960
we're in good shape and you know people

5471
03:26:25,349 --> 03:26:23,840
like my mom who was a staunch skeptic uh

5472
03:26:27,750 --> 03:26:25,359
is starting to come around and be like

5473
03:26:29,590 --> 03:26:27,760
wow i should look more into this and uh

5474
03:26:31,750 --> 03:26:29,600
yeah yeah that was a that was a pivotal

5475
03:26:33,110 --> 03:26:31,760
moment for me for yeah

5476
03:26:34,950 --> 03:26:33,120
for something like that and that's when

5477
03:26:37,910 --> 03:26:34,960
i knew that the ridicule factor was

5478
03:26:38,790 --> 03:26:37,920
leaving for sure i'm optimistic yeah me

5479
03:26:40,710 --> 03:26:38,800
too

5480
03:26:42,870 --> 03:26:40,720
well we want to thank the awesome alien

5481
03:26:44,950 --> 03:26:42,880
khan audience for participating with us

5482
03:26:46,870 --> 03:26:44,960
today and as we wrap up this episode

5483
03:26:48,950 --> 03:26:46,880
i'll quickly let you know that

5484
03:26:50,710 --> 03:26:48,960
my podcast unknown is available on all

5485
03:26:53,030 --> 03:26:50,720
the podcast places

5486
03:26:55,269 --> 03:26:53,040
and certainly all the episodes are on

5487
03:26:57,110 --> 03:26:55,279
our website rogueplanet.tv

5488
03:26:59,910 --> 03:26:57,120
yeah other than that um there's an

5489
03:27:01,110 --> 03:26:59,920
experience reception later today at 2 40

5490
03:27:02,790 --> 03:27:01,120
come talk to me i want to hear the

5491
03:27:05,349 --> 03:27:02,800
stories

5492
03:27:07,269 --> 03:27:05,359
and that's going to do it for us guys

5493
03:27:09,510 --> 03:27:07,279
bryan sprague i'm jason mcclellan thank

5494
03:27:16,710 --> 03:27:09,520
you for joining us do me a favor friends

5495
03:27:22,469 --> 03:27:20,309
hi my name is jason i'm 40 years old and

5496
03:27:23,590 --> 03:27:22,479
i reside in a rural part of eastern

5497
03:27:25,429 --> 03:27:23,600
oregon

5498
03:27:27,990 --> 03:27:25,439
before i get into my experience i want

5499
03:27:30,389 --> 03:27:28,000
to just state where my interest in ufos

5500
03:27:33,190 --> 03:27:30,399
originates when i was

5501
03:27:35,269 --> 03:27:33,200
probably in the fourth or fifth grade

5502
03:27:36,870 --> 03:27:35,279
i saw a commercial for time life's

5503
03:27:38,790 --> 03:27:36,880
mysteries of the unknown

5504
03:27:40,870 --> 03:27:38,800
now in this commercial

5505
03:27:42,550 --> 03:27:40,880
there's a segment in which they show

5506
03:27:44,710 --> 03:27:42,560
these recurring pictures of what we

5507
03:27:46,469 --> 03:27:44,720
would term grey aliens and it shows it

5508
03:27:48,389 --> 03:27:46,479
over and over again

5509
03:27:50,309 --> 03:27:48,399
now i remember the fear that i felt at

5510
03:27:52,870 --> 03:27:50,319
that age looking at those pictures

5511
03:27:54,790 --> 03:27:52,880
and uh subsequently anytime i'd walk

5512
03:27:56,469 --> 03:27:54,800
around a corner i would always be afraid

5513
03:27:57,990 --> 03:27:56,479
that i would see one or

5514
03:27:59,429 --> 03:27:58,000
you know i thought that if i would ever

5515
03:28:01,510 --> 03:27:59,439
look through a window

5516
03:28:03,190 --> 03:28:01,520
maybe i would see one staring at me so i

5517
03:28:05,110 --> 03:28:03,200
would always make sure that the windows

5518
03:28:07,349 --> 03:28:05,120
were shut the blinds were closed and

5519
03:28:09,590 --> 03:28:07,359
they were latched that's the last kind

5520
03:28:11,349 --> 03:28:09,600
of experience i wanted to have

5521
03:28:14,550 --> 03:28:11,359
but that's where my interest originates

5522
03:28:15,590 --> 03:28:14,560
i guess now the experience that i had

5523
03:28:17,110 --> 03:28:15,600
um

5524
03:28:19,190 --> 03:28:17,120
it happened in

5525
03:28:20,950 --> 03:28:19,200
late june of 2011.

5526
03:28:23,349 --> 03:28:20,960
now i'm a jogger

5527
03:28:24,389 --> 03:28:23,359
and uh i was jogging on this path

5528
03:28:26,550 --> 03:28:24,399
between

5529
03:28:28,229 --> 03:28:26,560
this sports complex and the local high

5530
03:28:29,990 --> 03:28:28,239
school where i live

5531
03:28:31,990 --> 03:28:30,000
now westward

5532
03:28:33,910 --> 03:28:32,000
are some mountains

5533
03:28:35,910 --> 03:28:33,920
and at this time it was dusk so the sun

5534
03:28:38,070 --> 03:28:35,920
had just set behind the peaks of those

5535
03:28:40,229 --> 03:28:38,080
mountains but they were still a little

5536
03:28:41,269 --> 03:28:40,239
bit of light coming through

5537
03:28:44,630 --> 03:28:41,279
now

5538
03:28:46,309 --> 03:28:44,640
over to my right towards the mountains

5539
03:28:47,990 --> 03:28:46,319
and as i look over to my right i see

5540
03:28:50,950 --> 03:28:48,000
this flash of light

5541
03:28:53,429 --> 03:28:50,960
and my first thought was since it was at

5542
03:28:55,510 --> 03:28:53,439
the base of the mountain where a lot of

5543
03:28:58,070 --> 03:28:55,520
fields are that it was probably a crop

5544
03:28:59,590 --> 03:28:58,080
duster or just a helicopter and the

5545
03:29:01,590 --> 03:28:59,600
light was being reflected off the

5546
03:29:02,950 --> 03:29:01,600
metallic surface i mean it seems logical

5547
03:29:05,190 --> 03:29:02,960
enough right

5548
03:29:07,349 --> 03:29:05,200
well as i keep looking

5549
03:29:08,790 --> 03:29:07,359
i noticed that it starts speeding up and

5550
03:29:10,790 --> 03:29:08,800
that this

5551
03:29:13,429 --> 03:29:10,800
light isn't just a flash but it's a

5552
03:29:15,670 --> 03:29:13,439
sustained ball of light

5553
03:29:17,910 --> 03:29:15,680
now as it approaches

5554
03:29:19,830 --> 03:29:17,920
what you would term a badland hill at

5555
03:29:21,510 --> 03:29:19,840
the base of one of these mountains and

5556
03:29:23,670 --> 03:29:21,520
it's heading southward by the way it's

5557
03:29:25,349 --> 03:29:23,680
moving in the same direction i am so as

5558
03:29:28,229 --> 03:29:25,359
it approaches this hill

5559
03:29:30,790 --> 03:29:28,239
it shoots up at what i would describe to

5560
03:29:32,830 --> 03:29:30,800
be probably a 60 degree angle

5561
03:29:36,630 --> 03:29:32,840
and it does so very

5562
03:29:39,030 --> 03:29:36,640
rapidly now as it goes up it heads left

5563
03:29:40,870 --> 03:29:39,040
to my direction which is eastward

5564
03:29:41,830 --> 03:29:40,880
and it approaches me at a high rate of

5565
03:29:44,150 --> 03:29:41,840
speed

5566
03:29:46,070 --> 03:29:44,160
now when it finally comes above my head

5567
03:29:48,389 --> 03:29:46,080
there are two things that i noticed

5568
03:29:50,550 --> 03:29:48,399
first of all it's blinking really fast

5569
03:29:52,150 --> 03:29:50,560
almost as if it were a really fast

5570
03:29:54,710 --> 03:29:52,160
strobe light it was producing that type

5571
03:29:57,429 --> 03:29:54,720
of effect and at the same time it looked

5572
03:29:59,910 --> 03:29:57,439
like it was undulating and this was like

5573
03:30:01,510 --> 03:29:59,920
a a darker shade of yellow is the color

5574
03:30:03,429 --> 03:30:01,520
i would describe it

5575
03:30:04,950 --> 03:30:03,439
and you know when i see this

5576
03:30:07,670 --> 03:30:04,960
passing over my head i remember

5577
03:30:09,670 --> 03:30:07,680
distinctly thinking oh my god i can't

5578
03:30:11,750 --> 03:30:09,680
believe this is actually happening you

5579
03:30:13,750 --> 03:30:11,760
know you hear about this on

5580
03:30:16,870 --> 03:30:13,760
on tv maybe or you read about it in

5581
03:30:19,030 --> 03:30:16,880
books or magazines or on crazy internet

5582
03:30:21,030 --> 03:30:19,040
forums where where people talk about

5583
03:30:22,389 --> 03:30:21,040
crazy things all the time but you never

5584
03:30:23,750 --> 03:30:22,399
really think that it's going to happen

5585
03:30:26,389 --> 03:30:23,760
to you and you never really think that

5586
03:30:27,590 --> 03:30:26,399
you're going to see this well i saw it

5587
03:30:29,990 --> 03:30:27,600
hands down

5588
03:30:31,670 --> 03:30:30,000
now as it passes over my head it keeps

5589
03:30:33,990 --> 03:30:31,680
going in the same direction and it's

5590
03:30:36,550 --> 03:30:34,000
gaining altitude at this point

5591
03:30:39,670 --> 03:30:36,560
as it gets higher into the atmosphere

5592
03:30:42,309 --> 03:30:39,680
it pulsates three or four times

5593
03:30:43,670 --> 03:30:42,319
and then it immediately immediately it

5594
03:30:45,429 --> 03:30:43,680
looks like it's snuffed out as if

5595
03:30:47,510 --> 03:30:45,439
someone snuffed it out like a candle i

5596
03:30:49,349 --> 03:30:47,520
mean it just disappeared it contracted

5597
03:30:50,550 --> 03:30:49,359
and was gone

5598
03:30:53,110 --> 03:30:50,560
now

5599
03:30:53,990 --> 03:30:53,120
when i was on my way home i finished my

5600
03:30:56,150 --> 03:30:54,000
jog

5601
03:30:58,389 --> 03:30:56,160
and the the bizarre part about all of

5602
03:31:00,229 --> 03:30:58,399
this is that yes i was surprised yes i

5603
03:31:02,630 --> 03:31:00,239
was kind of excited but at the same time

5604
03:31:04,309 --> 03:31:02,640
i had this really calm serene feeling

5605
03:31:05,349 --> 03:31:04,319
and it didn't really feel natural to be

5606
03:31:08,070 --> 03:31:05,359
honest

5607
03:31:09,349 --> 03:31:08,080
it felt like it was something surreal

5608
03:31:11,750 --> 03:31:09,359
like it

5609
03:31:14,309 --> 03:31:11,760
it didn't really happen but it did

5610
03:31:16,550 --> 03:31:14,319
now a couple of days later

5611
03:31:18,150 --> 03:31:16,560
my wife and i are at our friend's house

5612
03:31:21,590 --> 03:31:18,160
eating dinner

5613
03:31:23,830 --> 03:31:21,600
and i bring this event up to them

5614
03:31:25,190 --> 03:31:23,840
and the reason why i did this

5615
03:31:27,830 --> 03:31:25,200
was because

5616
03:31:29,990 --> 03:31:27,840
the place where this light originated

5617
03:31:31,510 --> 03:31:30,000
from when i saw it was right near their

5618
03:31:32,870 --> 03:31:31,520
property they owned property right there

5619
03:31:34,469 --> 03:31:32,880
on the on the base of the mountain so

5620
03:31:35,670 --> 03:31:34,479
i'm like hey guys

5621
03:31:37,190 --> 03:31:35,680
there's something going on over here did

5622
03:31:38,229 --> 03:31:37,200
you see anything i'd really like to know

5623
03:31:40,870 --> 03:31:38,239
if you did

5624
03:31:42,229 --> 03:31:40,880
and of course they didn't uh and that

5625
03:31:43,750 --> 03:31:42,239
night when we left

5626
03:31:45,590 --> 03:31:43,760
my wife and i were driving on the

5627
03:31:47,349 --> 03:31:45,600
highway towards our house

5628
03:31:49,510 --> 03:31:47,359
and i decided to look

5629
03:31:52,870 --> 03:31:49,520
left over into the direction where i had

5630
03:31:55,269 --> 03:31:52,880
seen that light a couple days before ago

5631
03:31:57,910 --> 03:31:55,279
and i see what appears to be uh an

5632
03:31:59,510 --> 03:31:57,920
orange ball of light rising into the air

5633
03:32:01,269 --> 03:31:59,520
at a steady speed

5634
03:32:03,670 --> 03:32:01,279
really slow and steady

5635
03:32:05,510 --> 03:32:03,680
so i pointed it out to my wife and i am

5636
03:32:07,750 --> 03:32:05,520
like so hey do you see this and she's

5637
03:32:09,750 --> 03:32:07,760
like yeah i see it so we pull over and

5638
03:32:11,990 --> 03:32:09,760
we get out of the car and by the time we

5639
03:32:13,030 --> 03:32:12,000
get out and we look up there are now

5640
03:32:15,110 --> 03:32:13,040
three

5641
03:32:17,030 --> 03:32:15,120
balls of orange light in the sky and

5642
03:32:18,550 --> 03:32:17,040
they're forming what appeared to be an

5643
03:32:21,269 --> 03:32:18,560
equilateral triangle i mean they were

5644
03:32:22,389 --> 03:32:21,279
very evenly spaced right

5645
03:32:24,309 --> 03:32:22,399
and then after looking at it for a

5646
03:32:26,070 --> 03:32:24,319
couple of minutes they one by one went

5647
03:32:26,870 --> 03:32:26,080
out

5648
03:32:28,469 --> 03:32:26,880
now

5649
03:32:30,229 --> 03:32:28,479
i'm looking i'm thinking about these

5650
03:32:31,429 --> 03:32:30,239
experiences and

5651
03:32:32,950 --> 03:32:31,439
you know

5652
03:32:35,670 --> 03:32:32,960
sometimes you think it could be anything

5653
03:32:37,830 --> 03:32:35,680
but i have a really weird feeling that

5654
03:32:38,950 --> 03:32:37,840
the synchronicities in this are too

5655
03:32:39,990 --> 03:32:38,960
uncanny

5656
03:32:42,070 --> 03:32:40,000
um

5657
03:32:45,269 --> 03:32:42,080
i'm not really much of a metaphysical

5658
03:32:47,910 --> 03:32:45,279
person in that way i'm not really

5659
03:32:49,590 --> 03:32:47,920
into the woo factor so to speak but in

5660
03:32:50,870 --> 03:32:49,600
retrospect when i look back on these

5661
03:32:53,670 --> 03:32:50,880
events

5662
03:32:56,070 --> 03:32:53,680
i ask myself what are the odds that i

5663
03:32:58,150 --> 03:32:56,080
would look in that direction at that

5664
03:33:00,630 --> 03:32:58,160
time and see that light and have it pass

5665
03:33:02,550 --> 03:33:00,640
directly over my head almost as if it

5666
03:33:04,469 --> 03:33:02,560
were coming in my direction purposefully

5667
03:33:06,070 --> 03:33:04,479
for me to see it

5668
03:33:07,990 --> 03:33:06,080
when i first

5669
03:33:09,750 --> 03:33:08,000
thought about this

5670
03:33:11,349 --> 03:33:09,760
i thought you know what it seems like it

5671
03:33:13,510 --> 03:33:11,359
was trying to avoid being seen because

5672
03:33:15,990 --> 03:33:13,520
it was going so fast but the more i

5673
03:33:17,429 --> 03:33:16,000
think about it it almost seems like it

5674
03:33:18,950 --> 03:33:17,439
wanted to be seen

5675
03:33:20,870 --> 03:33:18,960
both times

5676
03:33:23,030 --> 03:33:20,880
because the fact that i was looking in

5677
03:33:25,349 --> 03:33:23,040
those directions at that specific time

5678
03:33:28,309 --> 03:33:25,359
in that specific way

5679
03:33:30,309 --> 03:33:28,319
it really kind of reinforces you know

5680
03:33:32,389 --> 03:33:30,319
that fear that i've always had about

5681
03:33:35,030 --> 03:33:32,399
shutting my windows and whatnot

5682
03:33:35,990 --> 03:33:35,040
especially into into my older age now i

5683
03:33:38,150 --> 03:33:36,000
suppose

5684
03:33:39,590 --> 03:33:38,160
but one thing i think that is

5685
03:33:41,510 --> 03:33:39,600
that makes us really poignant so to

5686
03:33:43,429 --> 03:33:41,520
speak is that

5687
03:33:45,670 --> 03:33:43,439
you know some people will say

5688
03:33:48,309 --> 03:33:45,680
i know what it is i saw i know what i

5689
03:33:50,630 --> 03:33:48,319
saw you know i i'm not of the same mind

5690
03:33:52,950 --> 03:33:50,640
i say i have no idea what i saw

5691
03:33:54,710 --> 03:33:52,960
i don't know what it was however i do

5692
03:33:56,710 --> 03:33:54,720
know what it was not

5693
03:33:59,349 --> 03:33:56,720
it was not a plane it was not a

5694
03:34:02,710 --> 03:33:59,359
satellite it was not a balloon it was

5695
03:34:05,830 --> 03:34:02,720
not a helicopter it was nothing man made

5696
03:34:11,429 --> 03:34:09,429
my name is elle from northeast ohio

5697
03:34:12,950 --> 03:34:11,439
i was about seven

5698
03:34:15,349 --> 03:34:12,960
when this

5699
03:34:18,870 --> 03:34:15,359
sighting occurred

5700
03:34:22,950 --> 03:34:18,880
it was the first i can ever recall

5701
03:34:27,990 --> 03:34:26,150
i love to to play this game

5702
03:34:28,790 --> 03:34:28,000
in my backyard

5703
03:34:31,110 --> 03:34:28,800
that

5704
03:34:32,950 --> 03:34:31,120
i called bus driver it's exactly the way

5705
03:34:35,190 --> 03:34:32,960
it sounds i'd

5706
03:34:37,429 --> 03:34:35,200
walk around the yard and pretend that i

5707
03:34:39,190 --> 03:34:37,439
was a bus driver picking the kids up to

5708
03:34:41,750 --> 03:34:39,200
go to school

5709
03:34:43,590 --> 03:34:41,760
i don't know why it was fun but i loved

5710
03:34:45,510 --> 03:34:43,600
doing it and

5711
03:34:47,429 --> 03:34:45,520
i did it

5712
03:34:49,349 --> 03:34:47,439
almost every single day

5713
03:34:51,030 --> 03:34:49,359
this particular day i remember there was

5714
03:34:53,910 --> 03:34:51,040
something going on

5715
03:34:55,269 --> 03:34:53,920
inside the house i um my mom's family

5716
03:34:58,469 --> 03:34:55,279
was over

5717
03:35:00,150 --> 03:34:58,479
so i slipped away went outside and

5718
03:35:02,630 --> 03:35:00,160
started to play my game

5719
03:35:04,389 --> 03:35:02,640
and when i got closer to the house

5720
03:35:07,990 --> 03:35:04,399
there was a deck on the back of the

5721
03:35:09,349 --> 03:35:08,000
house that had a set of steps that were

5722
03:35:10,950 --> 03:35:09,359
right

5723
03:35:12,710 --> 03:35:10,960
at the back of the house like you could

5724
03:35:13,590 --> 03:35:12,720
go up the steps and go right inside the

5725
03:35:16,550 --> 03:35:13,600
door

5726
03:35:17,670 --> 03:35:16,560
and when i got there

5727
03:35:20,229 --> 03:35:17,680
something

5728
03:35:21,910 --> 03:35:20,239
compelled me to look up

5729
03:35:25,750 --> 03:35:21,920
and look over my shoulder

5730
03:35:29,349 --> 03:35:25,760
kind of behind me and

5731
03:35:30,550 --> 03:35:29,359
they're like maybe 20 or 30 feet in the

5732
03:35:33,110 --> 03:35:30,560
air

5733
03:35:34,710 --> 03:35:33,120
not very high off the ground

5734
03:35:37,190 --> 03:35:34,720
was

5735
03:35:39,030 --> 03:35:37,200
the literal definition of a flying

5736
03:35:41,990 --> 03:35:39,040
saucer

5737
03:35:43,429 --> 03:35:42,000
absolutely the most typical

5738
03:35:45,910 --> 03:35:43,439
saucer

5739
03:35:46,950 --> 03:35:45,920
that you know you could see in pop

5740
03:35:51,269 --> 03:35:46,960
culture

5741
03:35:54,309 --> 03:35:51,279
it was small

5742
03:35:56,229 --> 03:35:54,319
incredibly small like if there were

5743
03:35:58,070 --> 03:35:56,239
people inside there could only be one

5744
03:35:59,110 --> 03:35:58,080
that's how small it was

5745
03:36:00,630 --> 03:35:59,120
and

5746
03:36:02,070 --> 03:36:00,640
we lived in

5747
03:36:05,269 --> 03:36:02,080
a ranch

5748
03:36:08,309 --> 03:36:05,279
home that my parents had just built so

5749
03:36:10,389 --> 03:36:08,319
it was not you know it was

5750
03:36:12,710 --> 03:36:10,399
you know exactly that about 20 to 30

5751
03:36:17,269 --> 03:36:12,720
feet up like tall

5752
03:36:20,229 --> 03:36:17,279
and the craft didn't even

5753
03:36:23,830 --> 03:36:20,239
they it didn't even clear the chimney

5754
03:36:26,710 --> 03:36:23,840
it's crazy how long the moment went on

5755
03:36:29,429 --> 03:36:26,720
or goes on in my memory because there

5756
03:36:32,389 --> 03:36:29,439
are so many details that i can recall i

5757
03:36:34,550 --> 03:36:32,399
remember it was silver

5758
03:36:37,750 --> 03:36:34,560
but it wasn't reflective

5759
03:36:39,830 --> 03:36:37,760
it had three lights that i could see

5760
03:36:41,670 --> 03:36:39,840
and they were turned off but i could see

5761
03:36:42,950 --> 03:36:41,680
what colors they would be if they were

5762
03:36:44,229 --> 03:36:42,960
turned on

5763
03:36:46,389 --> 03:36:44,239
um

5764
03:36:48,710 --> 03:36:46,399
one would be blue one would be yellow

5765
03:36:50,309 --> 03:36:48,720
and one would be red

5766
03:36:51,670 --> 03:36:50,319
and

5767
03:36:56,469 --> 03:36:51,680
it was

5768
03:36:58,150 --> 03:36:56,479
just so small that's still to this day

5769
03:36:59,590 --> 03:36:58,160
one of the two things that baffles me

5770
03:37:01,590 --> 03:36:59,600
the most just

5771
03:37:04,550 --> 03:37:01,600
how small it was and

5772
03:37:07,070 --> 03:37:04,560
how close it was

5773
03:37:09,670 --> 03:37:07,080
i had never

5774
03:37:10,710 --> 03:37:09,680
experienced anything like this i had

5775
03:37:14,550 --> 03:37:10,720
never

5776
03:37:17,190 --> 03:37:14,560
that was

5777
03:37:19,910 --> 03:37:17,200
what i was interested in i loved barbies

5778
03:37:22,309 --> 03:37:19,920
and hot wheels i didn't care about space

5779
03:37:25,110 --> 03:37:22,319
i didn't care about aliens i didn't

5780
03:37:26,870 --> 03:37:25,120
care about any of that stuff so for me

5781
03:37:28,229 --> 03:37:26,880
to see this

5782
03:37:29,510 --> 03:37:28,239
was odd

5783
03:37:31,590 --> 03:37:29,520
it wasn't

5784
03:37:34,469 --> 03:37:31,600
something that i would have been seeking

5785
03:37:36,070 --> 03:37:34,479
out sometimes in the memories i can

5786
03:37:39,429 --> 03:37:36,080
recall

5787
03:37:40,150 --> 03:37:39,439
a figure or being inside the dome on top

5788
03:37:41,269 --> 03:37:40,160
of

5789
03:37:42,950 --> 03:37:41,279
the craft

5790
03:37:45,349 --> 03:37:42,960
sometimes i can't

5791
03:37:48,389 --> 03:37:45,359
i'm not sure

5792
03:37:50,070 --> 03:37:48,399
which it would be maybe it was both

5793
03:37:51,510 --> 03:37:50,080
maybe it was

5794
03:37:54,469 --> 03:37:51,520
something i'm

5795
03:37:57,110 --> 03:37:54,479
just creating in my mind but

5796
03:37:58,469 --> 03:37:57,120
i know what i did see

5797
03:37:59,990 --> 03:37:58,479
and

5798
03:38:02,550 --> 03:38:00,000
i know that

5799
03:38:05,349 --> 03:38:02,560
it was there in front of me

5800
03:38:08,150 --> 03:38:05,359
everything was silent like i there was

5801
03:38:10,710 --> 03:38:08,160
no sounds i don't even know what really

5802
03:38:12,950 --> 03:38:10,720
compelled me to look up because

5803
03:38:15,190 --> 03:38:12,960
i was just minding my own business

5804
03:38:17,269 --> 03:38:15,200
playing my little bus driver game

5805
03:38:20,389 --> 03:38:17,279
and

5806
03:38:24,550 --> 03:38:20,399
something caused me to look up

5807
03:38:26,630 --> 03:38:24,560
i ran inside i didn't want to

5808
03:38:28,710 --> 03:38:26,640
be around anything like that i

5809
03:38:30,469 --> 03:38:28,720
when i got inside my great grandmother

5810
03:38:32,710 --> 03:38:30,479
was standing right there and she's like

5811
03:38:33,750 --> 03:38:32,720
ah you look like you just saw a ghost

5812
03:38:36,870 --> 03:38:33,760
i'm like

5813
03:38:38,229 --> 03:38:36,880
all i could say was no and

5814
03:38:39,990 --> 03:38:38,239
shook my head

5815
03:38:41,349 --> 03:38:40,000
and i didn't say anything about it to

5816
03:38:43,830 --> 03:38:41,359
her

5817
03:38:45,590 --> 03:38:43,840
at some point i did tell my parents my

5818
03:38:47,590 --> 03:38:45,600
dad didn't believe me

5819
03:38:49,830 --> 03:38:47,600
my mom didn't say anything at the time

5820
03:38:53,269 --> 03:38:49,840
but i found out later that she most

5821
03:38:55,990 --> 03:38:53,279
definitely did believe me

5822
03:38:59,110 --> 03:38:56,000
my dad thought it was an excuse to go to

5823
03:39:01,670 --> 03:38:59,120
not have to go outside because in the

5824
03:39:02,550 --> 03:39:01,680
months that followed over that summer

5825
03:39:23,030 --> 03:39:02,560
i

5826
03:39:25,510 --> 03:39:23,040
and

5827
03:39:26,550 --> 03:39:25,520
it was utterly silent when the incident

5828
03:39:27,990 --> 03:39:26,560
happened

5829
03:39:30,550 --> 03:39:28,000
but

5830
03:39:32,950 --> 03:39:30,560
when i was drawing these i would always

5831
03:39:35,750 --> 03:39:32,960
have some kind of caption on that flying

5832
03:39:38,630 --> 03:39:35,760
saucer it would always say something

5833
03:39:40,309 --> 03:39:38,640
like the one i remember the most is

5834
03:39:42,710 --> 03:39:40,319
l it's us

5835
03:39:44,469 --> 03:39:42,720
we're not here to harm you

5836
03:39:48,309 --> 03:39:44,479
and

5837
03:39:51,990 --> 03:39:48,319
it's like i had never known about aliens

5838
03:39:54,790 --> 03:39:52,000
or abductions or anything like that

5839
03:39:56,870 --> 03:39:54,800
so i don't know why i added you know

5840
03:39:58,469 --> 03:39:56,880
those little captions on to these

5841
03:40:00,309 --> 03:39:58,479
pictures

5842
03:40:02,710 --> 03:40:00,319
i hid them

5843
03:40:04,550 --> 03:40:02,720
i know eventually my mom did see them

5844
03:40:07,349 --> 03:40:04,560
but i hid them and eventually i threw

5845
03:40:09,269 --> 03:40:07,359
them away because i was embarrassed

5846
03:40:11,670 --> 03:40:09,279
and that's how i've

5847
03:40:12,950 --> 03:40:11,680
felt in the following years

5848
03:40:17,110 --> 03:40:12,960
since

5849
03:40:19,429 --> 03:40:17,120
there have been other sightings there's

5850
03:40:22,070 --> 03:40:19,439
been other

5851
03:40:24,229 --> 03:40:22,080
experiences that have

5852
03:40:25,750 --> 03:40:24,239
that should confirm to me that i'm not

5853
03:40:28,469 --> 03:40:25,760
crazy

5854
03:40:30,710 --> 03:40:28,479
but i i do feel so

5855
03:40:31,510 --> 03:40:30,720
crazy every single day

5856
03:40:34,070 --> 03:40:31,520
for

5857
03:40:36,150 --> 03:40:34,080
believing

5858
03:40:40,309 --> 03:40:36,160
in you know

5859
03:40:42,469 --> 03:40:40,319
aliens and ufos and

5860
03:40:44,950 --> 03:40:42,479
being on this journey of

5861
03:40:47,830 --> 03:40:44,960
truth seeking

5862
03:40:50,550 --> 03:40:47,840
i used to be so shameless when in my

5863
03:40:51,910 --> 03:40:50,560
teen young teen years i was so shameless

5864
03:40:53,910 --> 03:40:51,920
about

5865
03:40:54,950 --> 03:40:53,920
making trying to make people believe in

5866
03:40:57,190 --> 03:40:54,960
it

5867
03:40:58,790 --> 03:40:57,200
i thought that if they heard my story

5868
03:41:03,190 --> 03:40:58,800
then they would have to believe it

5869
03:41:06,790 --> 03:41:03,200
because they know me why would i lie

5870
03:41:08,630 --> 03:41:06,800
so therefore my story to me was the most

5871
03:41:10,150 --> 03:41:08,640
compelling

5872
03:41:11,830 --> 03:41:10,160
truth to them

5873
03:41:13,670 --> 03:41:11,840
to make them believe it

5874
03:41:16,229 --> 03:41:13,680
but

5875
03:41:18,870 --> 03:41:16,239
i kind of became an outcast in part

5876
03:41:21,429 --> 03:41:18,880
because of that belief and eventually i

5877
03:41:24,070 --> 03:41:21,439
kind of shut up about it

5878
03:41:26,070 --> 03:41:24,080
um i never

5879
03:41:28,469 --> 03:41:26,080
i never really speak about it publicly

5880
03:41:31,349 --> 03:41:28,479
anymore i just

5881
03:41:33,429 --> 03:41:31,359
live and let it be

5882
03:41:36,550 --> 03:41:33,439
there are other experiences that i've

5883
03:41:38,309 --> 03:41:36,560
had that i shouldn't feel

5884
03:41:39,429 --> 03:41:38,319
so insane

5885
03:41:43,110 --> 03:41:39,439
but

5886
03:41:45,349 --> 03:41:43,120
every single day of my life i do i

5887
03:41:48,389 --> 03:41:45,359
completely feel crazy

5888
03:41:49,910 --> 03:41:48,399
for seeing the things that i've seen

5889
03:41:52,630 --> 03:41:49,920
and

5890
03:41:56,469 --> 03:41:52,640
believing what i do

5891
03:41:57,429 --> 03:41:56,479
they say seeing is believing but

5892
03:41:58,870 --> 03:41:57,439
i guess

5893
03:42:04,870 --> 03:41:58,880
sometimes

5894
03:42:08,550 --> 03:42:07,030
this is cameron brower thanks so much

5895
03:42:10,630 --> 03:42:08,560
for having me

5896
03:42:12,710 --> 03:42:10,640
i grew up in northern montana right near

5897
03:42:15,429 --> 03:42:12,720
the canadian border the nearest town

5898
03:42:17,990 --> 03:42:15,439
with over 100 people in it was about 25

5899
03:42:19,910 --> 03:42:18,000
miles away so i was surrounded by

5900
03:42:23,030 --> 03:42:19,920
millions of acres of empty prairie

5901
03:42:25,190 --> 03:42:23,040
topped by an endless sky full of stars

5902
03:42:28,309 --> 03:42:25,200
and well in that part of montana you can

5903
03:42:31,349 --> 03:42:28,319
definitely see some ufos

5904
03:42:33,429 --> 03:42:31,359
i would almost guarantee that if anyone

5905
03:42:35,670 --> 03:42:33,439
went out to that part of the prairie

5906
03:42:38,070 --> 03:42:35,680
only a mile or so from the house that i

5907
03:42:40,790 --> 03:42:38,080
grew up in and spend three or so nights

5908
03:42:42,790 --> 03:42:40,800
looking you'd probably see a ufo

5909
03:42:44,710 --> 03:42:42,800
probably more than one

5910
03:42:46,710 --> 03:42:44,720
my friends and i spent countless nights

5911
03:42:48,229 --> 03:42:46,720
sleeping under the stars we would stare

5912
03:42:50,630 --> 03:42:48,239
most of the night at the sky and we

5913
03:42:51,910 --> 03:42:50,640
would see amazing things like satellites

5914
03:42:53,110 --> 03:42:51,920
and other things that look like

5915
03:42:54,870 --> 03:42:53,120
satellites

5916
03:42:56,790 --> 03:42:54,880
but probably weren't

5917
03:42:58,950 --> 03:42:56,800
these dim lights would travel across the

5918
03:43:00,950 --> 03:42:58,960
sky just like a satellite

5919
03:43:03,269 --> 03:43:00,960
but they would do other things that were

5920
03:43:05,510 --> 03:43:03,279
amazing just when you thought you were

5921
03:43:07,830 --> 03:43:05,520
looking at another satellite small dim

5922
03:43:10,229 --> 03:43:07,840
light above would stop or it would

5923
03:43:12,070 --> 03:43:10,239
change direction 90 degrees or do a

5924
03:43:14,070 --> 03:43:12,080
complete 180.

5925
03:43:16,790 --> 03:43:14,080
sometimes they would even approach other

5926
03:43:19,110 --> 03:43:16,800
lights with identical intensity and stop

5927
03:43:21,349 --> 03:43:19,120
then continue on and stop at another

5928
03:43:23,429 --> 03:43:21,359
light sometimes stopping three or four

5929
03:43:28,389 --> 03:43:23,439
times before they would blast across the

5930
03:43:30,950 --> 03:43:28,399
sky at unimaginable speeds and disappear

5931
03:43:33,189 --> 03:43:30,960
during the summer of 1983 which was the

5932
03:43:35,110 --> 03:43:33,199
year between my sophomore and junior

5933
03:43:36,630 --> 03:43:35,120
year of high school i had a job i worked

5934
03:43:39,349 --> 03:43:36,640
at a radio station

5935
03:43:41,830 --> 03:43:39,359
my usual shift was about 6 pm to

5936
03:43:44,389 --> 03:43:41,840
midnight i had my own car and i drove

5937
03:43:46,710 --> 03:43:44,399
the 25 miles to and from work

5938
03:43:49,110 --> 03:43:46,720
several times a week

5939
03:43:51,269 --> 03:43:49,120
after work that always gave me a chance

5940
03:43:53,189 --> 03:43:51,279
to do a lot of thinking and to also look

5941
03:43:54,469 --> 03:43:53,199
for lights in the sky and other strange

5942
03:43:56,229 --> 03:43:54,479
looking lights

5943
03:43:57,750 --> 03:43:56,239
which were not too hard to find even

5944
03:43:59,830 --> 03:43:57,760
when driving

5945
03:44:02,070 --> 03:43:59,840
so one night i was traveling home a

5946
03:44:04,309 --> 03:44:02,080
little later than usual i was about

5947
03:44:05,830 --> 03:44:04,319
halfway home there was no moon and i was

5948
03:44:08,469 --> 03:44:05,840
only car on the road

5949
03:44:10,309 --> 03:44:08,479
this was not unusual if you were on this

5950
03:44:13,670 --> 03:44:10,319
stretch of highway you were most likely

5951
03:44:15,990 --> 03:44:13,680
a trucker going to or coming from canada

5952
03:44:18,630 --> 03:44:16,000
i was listening to my am radio and my

5953
03:44:21,830 --> 03:44:18,640
old 66 chevy when all of a sudden an

5954
03:44:24,229 --> 03:44:21,840
emerald green light lit up the whole sky

5955
03:44:26,150 --> 03:44:24,239
and i'm talking the whole sky

5956
03:44:28,229 --> 03:44:26,160
the light was coming from my side of the

5957
03:44:30,790 --> 03:44:28,239
car and i quickly looked over just in

5958
03:44:33,590 --> 03:44:30,800
time to see the green streak the object

5959
03:44:36,550 --> 03:44:33,600
made across

5960
03:44:39,269 --> 03:44:36,560
and parallel to my left to the horizon

5961
03:44:42,229 --> 03:44:39,279
there was also a whoosh sound but not so

5962
03:44:43,830 --> 03:44:42,239
much because of the object or the object

5963
03:44:46,710 --> 03:44:43,840
flying through our atmosphere it was

5964
03:44:48,389 --> 03:44:46,720
almost like the light object made its

5965
03:44:50,229 --> 03:44:48,399
own sound and i know that's hard to

5966
03:44:51,510 --> 03:44:50,239
explain but there was definitely a

5967
03:44:54,070 --> 03:44:51,520
whoosh sound

5968
03:44:56,950 --> 03:44:54,080
i estimate the light was more than 40

5969
03:44:58,950 --> 03:44:56,960
miles away but less than 80. i could see

5970
03:45:01,189 --> 03:44:58,960
the rocky mountain front behind the

5971
03:45:02,070 --> 03:45:01,199
light and i saw something else as well i

5972
03:45:04,630 --> 03:45:02,080
saw

5973
03:45:06,950 --> 03:45:04,640
what looked like dozens of grey dots and

5974
03:45:09,750 --> 03:45:06,960
dashes that were peppering the night sky

5975
03:45:11,670 --> 03:45:09,760
just above the horizon of the rockies

5976
03:45:13,910 --> 03:45:11,680
i knew these gray dots were the profile

5977
03:45:16,150 --> 03:45:13,920
of some kind of craft that were probably

5978
03:45:19,030 --> 03:45:16,160
floating in the night sky

5979
03:45:20,710 --> 03:45:19,040
they were absolutely in formation and i

5980
03:45:22,950 --> 03:45:20,720
could barely make them out after the

5981
03:45:25,590 --> 03:45:22,960
green light was totally gone but they

5982
03:45:26,389 --> 03:45:25,600
remained there maybe for 20 seconds or

5983
03:45:28,389 --> 03:45:26,399
more

5984
03:45:30,710 --> 03:45:28,399
just kind of hovering

5985
03:45:33,269 --> 03:45:30,720
then something incredible happened in

5986
03:45:34,550 --> 03:45:33,279
formation they moved slightly forward

5987
03:45:36,950 --> 03:45:34,560
and then made an

5988
03:45:39,189 --> 03:45:36,960
abrupt ascent and began spiraling in

5989
03:45:41,189 --> 03:45:39,199
formation into the sky

5990
03:45:43,590 --> 03:45:41,199
they were in groups spiraling and

5991
03:45:45,269 --> 03:45:43,600
heading totally vertical

5992
03:45:47,269 --> 03:45:45,279
and then there was a flash of green at

5993
03:45:49,349 --> 03:45:47,279
the highest point in their travel and

5994
03:45:51,830 --> 03:45:49,359
they became one gray streak that

5995
03:45:54,550 --> 03:45:51,840
actually glowed a little grayer in the

5996
03:45:56,630 --> 03:45:54,560
sky as they continued straight up they

5997
03:45:58,630 --> 03:45:56,640
definitely seemed to bleed into one

5998
03:46:00,870 --> 03:45:58,640
streak as they stretched up and out of

5999
03:46:03,510 --> 03:46:00,880
sight in an incredible

6000
03:46:05,990 --> 03:46:03,520
flash and an incredible demonstration of

6001
03:46:08,309 --> 03:46:06,000
speed and in less than a second they

6002
03:46:10,469 --> 03:46:08,319
were gone there was another brief flash

6003
03:46:11,830 --> 03:46:10,479
of green at that point very high in the

6004
03:46:14,070 --> 03:46:11,840
sky

6005
03:46:15,830 --> 03:46:14,080
and they disappeared

6006
03:46:18,309 --> 03:46:15,840
i didn't get the impression they were

6007
03:46:20,550 --> 03:46:18,319
making that green glow at all i am

6008
03:46:23,030 --> 03:46:20,560
definitely thinking they were under fire

6009
03:46:25,590 --> 03:46:23,040
or making an escape i couldn't see

6010
03:46:27,269 --> 03:46:25,600
anything pursuing them but

6011
03:46:28,389 --> 03:46:27,279
for sure they were trying to flee

6012
03:46:29,269 --> 03:46:28,399
something

6013
03:46:31,110 --> 03:46:29,279
so

6014
03:46:33,429 --> 03:46:31,120
i can't help but wonder if i witnessed

6015
03:46:34,790 --> 03:46:33,439
some kind of interstellar battle right

6016
03:46:36,389 --> 03:46:34,800
here on earth right in the middle of

6017
03:46:38,309 --> 03:46:36,399
montana

6018
03:46:43,429 --> 03:46:38,319
thank you so much for having me i love

6019
03:46:48,870 --> 03:46:45,910
hi ryan this is brandi from omaha

6020
03:46:51,910 --> 03:46:48,880
calling in my story

6021
03:46:54,229 --> 03:46:51,920
back in october of 2011

6022
03:46:55,590 --> 03:46:54,239
my then fiance and i were driving home

6023
03:46:57,269 --> 03:46:55,600
from dinner one night and it was still

6024
03:46:59,110 --> 03:46:57,279
kind of early so we decided we were

6025
03:47:01,269 --> 03:46:59,120
gonna hit a couple of the local bars on

6026
03:47:03,349 --> 03:47:01,279
the way home

6027
03:47:05,590 --> 03:47:03,359
on our way back we were coming over this

6028
03:47:08,469 --> 03:47:05,600
expressway and looking up there was

6029
03:47:09,510 --> 03:47:08,479
probably about seven to ten

6030
03:47:11,750 --> 03:47:09,520
reddish

6031
03:47:13,189 --> 03:47:11,760
amberish colored lights all throughout

6032
03:47:14,710 --> 03:47:13,199
the sky and

6033
03:47:16,070 --> 03:47:14,720
we really wanted to pull over and just

6034
03:47:17,590 --> 03:47:16,080
watch them but

6035
03:47:19,510 --> 03:47:17,600
there was really nowhere on this

6036
03:47:21,269 --> 03:47:19,520
expressway to pull over safely so we

6037
03:47:24,070 --> 03:47:21,279
just kind of slowed down and just kept

6038
03:47:25,349 --> 03:47:24,080
staring at him and driving and

6039
03:47:26,870 --> 03:47:25,359
it didn't really seem like any of the

6040
03:47:28,389 --> 03:47:26,880
other drivers were paying any attention

6041
03:47:31,189 --> 03:47:28,399
to him nobody else was slowing down

6042
03:47:32,630 --> 03:47:31,199
nobody else was pulling over anything

6043
03:47:34,630 --> 03:47:32,640
so we were just kind of watching them as

6044
03:47:36,229 --> 03:47:34,640
we were trying to drive and we just kept

6045
03:47:38,710 --> 03:47:36,239
noticing more and more of them just kind

6046
03:47:40,790 --> 03:47:38,720
of just kept blinking out

6047
03:47:42,790 --> 03:47:40,800
there one of them remained by the time

6048
03:47:44,630 --> 03:47:42,800
that we got parked to go into one of the

6049
03:47:46,790 --> 03:47:44,640
bars and

6050
03:47:49,510 --> 03:47:46,800
the thought that struck me was

6051
03:47:51,349 --> 03:47:49,520
i just got past this

6052
03:47:53,269 --> 03:47:51,359
and that thought just kind of kept just

6053
03:47:55,269 --> 03:47:53,279
rolling around in my head and

6054
03:47:57,110 --> 03:47:55,279
it it sat with me for some time but i

6055
03:47:58,229 --> 03:47:57,120
kind of didn't think any anything else

6056
03:48:01,110 --> 03:47:58,239
of it

6057
03:48:01,830 --> 03:48:01,120
and then a few years later i had kind of

6058
03:48:15,110 --> 03:48:01,840
a

6059
03:48:16,870 --> 03:48:15,120
noise

6060
03:48:19,269 --> 03:48:16,880
what would have been on one window or

6061
03:48:21,510 --> 03:48:19,279
corner of the house so i went to go see

6062
03:48:23,429 --> 03:48:21,520
what was making the noise and that's

6063
03:48:25,189 --> 03:48:23,439
when i noticed there was another light

6064
03:48:26,830 --> 03:48:25,199
outside of the window and it was just

6065
03:48:29,429 --> 03:48:26,840
kind of flashing this

6066
03:48:31,670 --> 03:48:29,439
erratic white red

6067
03:48:34,309 --> 03:48:31,680
multi-color

6068
03:48:35,830 --> 03:48:34,319
blink to it and it was just kind of

6069
03:48:36,870 --> 03:48:35,840
fascinating and i was watching it for a

6070
03:48:39,510 --> 03:48:36,880
little bit and i would notice it would

6071
03:48:41,349 --> 03:48:39,520
kind of just bounce and weave and move

6072
03:48:42,950 --> 03:48:41,359
around just enough

6073
03:48:44,550 --> 03:48:42,960
to be noticeable but not really go

6074
03:48:47,030 --> 03:48:44,560
anywhere and i think i sat and watched

6075
03:48:49,590 --> 03:48:47,040
it for maybe about an hour before i just

6076
03:48:51,269 --> 03:48:49,600
finally got tired of it went to bed and

6077
03:48:52,630 --> 03:48:51,279
for the next few nights it was just

6078
03:48:54,790 --> 03:48:52,640
there and

6079
03:48:57,189 --> 03:48:54,800
every night and then after about a week

6080
03:48:59,830 --> 03:48:57,199
or so i stopped seeing it

6081
03:49:02,309 --> 03:48:59,840
after that point i just kind of got hit

6082
03:49:03,429 --> 03:49:02,319
with the flurry of just synchronicities

6083
03:49:05,510 --> 03:49:03,439
and

6084
03:49:07,189 --> 03:49:05,520
all kind of all these little signs

6085
03:49:09,269 --> 03:49:07,199
pointing to things that were going on in

6086
03:49:10,870 --> 03:49:09,279
my life and

6087
03:49:12,550 --> 03:49:10,880
i had this mad

6088
03:49:15,030 --> 03:49:12,560
rush to try and

6089
03:49:16,389 --> 03:49:15,040
read and take in and consume anything i

6090
03:49:18,870 --> 03:49:16,399
could about

6091
03:49:21,349 --> 03:49:18,880
ufos aliens

6092
03:49:22,550 --> 03:49:21,359
experiencers anything of that fashion

6093
03:49:25,030 --> 03:49:22,560
and

6094
03:49:27,269 --> 03:49:25,040
it it was just a non-stop drive to try

6095
03:49:29,910 --> 03:49:27,279
and consume everything that i could and

6096
03:49:31,830 --> 03:49:29,920
i think in that time a lot of childhood

6097
03:49:33,510 --> 03:49:31,840
memories came back of stuff that has

6098
03:49:34,710 --> 03:49:33,520
happened to me collectively over the

6099
03:49:37,110 --> 03:49:34,720
years

6100
03:49:39,110 --> 03:49:37,120
and i had one experience that i always

6101
03:49:40,389 --> 03:49:39,120
thought was a dream

6102
03:49:42,070 --> 03:49:40,399
but turned out

6103
03:49:43,830 --> 03:49:42,080
thinking back i don't really think that

6104
03:49:46,469 --> 03:49:43,840
was the case

6105
03:49:48,550 --> 03:49:46,479
i lived right next to my grandparents

6106
03:49:50,950 --> 03:49:48,560
when i was little and so during the

6107
03:49:53,349 --> 03:49:50,960
summer when my parents were at work

6108
03:49:55,349 --> 03:49:53,359
i had free reign to bounce between my

6109
03:49:57,830 --> 03:49:55,359
grandma's house and mine and

6110
03:50:01,510 --> 03:49:57,840
one summer afternoon i

6111
03:50:03,510 --> 03:50:01,520
was playing in my room and

6112
03:50:04,950 --> 03:50:03,520
my room had four windows in it because

6113
03:50:06,710 --> 03:50:04,960
it was kind of on the back corner of the

6114
03:50:09,670 --> 03:50:06,720
house and they were pretty tall i'd say

6115
03:50:11,349 --> 03:50:09,680
maybe about 10 feet off the ground or so

6116
03:50:13,429 --> 03:50:11,359
i had this girl come and tap at my

6117
03:50:15,670 --> 03:50:13,439
window and i didn't think anything of it

6118
03:50:18,309 --> 03:50:15,680
because i had half sisters that would

6119
03:50:21,269 --> 03:50:18,319
sometimes come and visit me and

6120
03:50:22,950 --> 03:50:21,279
so i just didn't really think anything

6121
03:50:25,349 --> 03:50:22,960
of it and i didn't know this one girl in

6122
03:50:27,750 --> 03:50:25,359
particular but i remember her coming to

6123
03:50:29,349 --> 03:50:27,760
play with me one other time and she she

6124
03:50:31,910 --> 03:50:29,359
had red hair

6125
03:50:33,990 --> 03:50:31,920
and for some reason i thought she was

6126
03:50:35,110 --> 03:50:34,000
another one of my half sisters because i

6127
03:50:38,150 --> 03:50:35,120
only saw him

6128
03:50:40,550 --> 03:50:38,160
once every couple times a year so i i i

6129
03:50:41,750 --> 03:50:40,560
mean i was small maybe like four or five

6130
03:50:43,429 --> 03:50:41,760
so i didn't

6131
03:50:45,030 --> 03:50:43,439
really pay attention to who some of

6132
03:50:47,670 --> 03:50:45,040
these people were

6133
03:50:49,510 --> 03:50:47,680
and this girl she came tapping at my

6134
03:50:51,030 --> 03:50:49,520
window and i remember thinking how did

6135
03:50:52,630 --> 03:50:51,040
you get up there

6136
03:50:54,309 --> 03:50:52,640
and she wanted me to come outside and

6137
03:50:56,309 --> 03:50:54,319
play and so

6138
03:50:57,429 --> 03:50:56,319
i did i don't really remember going out

6139
03:50:59,269 --> 03:50:57,439
but i did

6140
03:51:00,870 --> 03:50:59,279
and we were playing on the swing set and

6141
03:51:02,469 --> 03:51:00,880
i kept asking i'm like how did you get

6142
03:51:04,870 --> 03:51:02,479
up to the window

6143
03:51:06,309 --> 03:51:04,880
well then i had there was a little piece

6144
03:51:07,990 --> 03:51:06,319
of tin that was

6145
03:51:09,750 --> 03:51:08,000
up against the side of the house well

6146
03:51:11,990 --> 03:51:09,760
she said she climbed up it i tried to

6147
03:51:13,910 --> 03:51:12,000
replicate it and i couldn't

6148
03:51:17,349 --> 03:51:13,920
i just blew it off and i didn't think

6149
03:51:18,950 --> 03:51:17,359
anything else of it and

6150
03:51:21,189 --> 03:51:18,960
it was a little later we were playing on

6151
03:51:22,469 --> 03:51:21,199
the swing set she kept trying to ask me

6152
03:51:25,750 --> 03:51:22,479
to do something and i don't remember

6153
03:51:27,590 --> 03:51:25,760
what the question was but i was just so

6154
03:51:29,429 --> 03:51:27,600
distraught i remember thinking you're

6155
03:51:30,950 --> 03:51:29,439
mean i don't want you to come and play

6156
03:51:32,790 --> 03:51:30,960
with me anymore

6157
03:51:34,870 --> 03:51:32,800
and she kept just trying to convince me

6158
03:51:36,630 --> 03:51:34,880
to to go with her and i didn't want to

6159
03:51:39,429 --> 03:51:36,640
go with her and then the next thing i

6160
03:51:42,070 --> 03:51:39,439
remember i'm standing in

6161
03:51:45,670 --> 03:51:42,080
the backyard and behind

6162
03:51:48,229 --> 03:51:45,680
my bedroom there was a fenced off garden

6163
03:51:51,510 --> 03:51:48,239
and in this garden was this little

6164
03:51:53,269 --> 03:51:51,520
scout ship thing and i remember standing

6165
03:51:57,429 --> 03:51:53,279
there and

6166
03:52:00,550 --> 03:51:57,439
i didn't want to go inside of this thing

6167
03:52:03,030 --> 03:52:00,560
and she she was just it was like she

6168
03:52:05,349 --> 03:52:03,040
just gotten really mean and pushy and

6169
03:52:06,550 --> 03:52:05,359
she was making me and i was pleading not

6170
03:52:08,870 --> 03:52:06,560
to do it

6171
03:52:11,510 --> 03:52:08,880
i don't remember ever actually going

6172
03:52:14,229 --> 03:52:11,520
inside of it but i do remember

6173
03:52:15,030 --> 03:52:14,239
being inside of it on this

6174
03:52:17,429 --> 03:52:15,040
like

6175
03:52:19,830 --> 03:52:17,439
dark table it was dark in there and it

6176
03:52:21,670 --> 03:52:19,840
had this weird like amber kind of

6177
03:52:24,229 --> 03:52:21,680
lighting against the floor and that's

6178
03:52:26,389 --> 03:52:24,239
all i remember but instead of being face

6179
03:52:28,870 --> 03:52:26,399
up i was like face down on the table

6180
03:52:31,750 --> 03:52:28,880
like and i remember being told not to

6181
03:52:35,269 --> 03:52:31,760
look um and i at that point i went from

6182
03:52:38,710 --> 03:52:35,279
being upset to just angry because

6183
03:52:40,550 --> 03:52:38,720
this girl was talking to whoever

6184
03:52:42,630 --> 03:52:40,560
was behind me and i wasn't allowed to

6185
03:52:45,189 --> 03:52:42,640
look and i was mad about it

6186
03:52:47,269 --> 03:52:45,199
and i remember

6187
03:52:49,030 --> 03:52:47,279
just laying there crying and crying and

6188
03:52:49,830 --> 03:52:49,040
the next thing i knew i was back in bed

6189
03:52:53,269 --> 03:52:49,840
and

6190
03:52:55,110 --> 03:52:53,279
such a relief thinking oh that was such

6191
03:52:56,870 --> 03:52:55,120
a terrible dream

6192
03:52:58,630 --> 03:52:56,880
but

6193
03:53:00,950 --> 03:52:58,640
after that i remember having friends

6194
03:53:03,590 --> 03:53:00,960
over and i remember showing them

6195
03:53:05,670 --> 03:53:03,600
this girl came up to my window and she

6196
03:53:08,630 --> 03:53:05,680
climbed up and we were trying to climb

6197
03:53:11,269 --> 03:53:08,640
up the back part of the house like how

6198
03:53:12,150 --> 03:53:11,279
this girl was to get up how she was and

6199
03:53:20,150 --> 03:53:12,160
i

6200
03:53:21,349 --> 03:53:20,160
happen

6201
03:53:22,870 --> 03:53:21,359
um

6202
03:53:24,710 --> 03:53:22,880
and so it

6203
03:53:27,670 --> 03:53:24,720
there's just a lot of other experiences

6204
03:53:29,349 --> 03:53:27,680
i'd be happy to call in sometime but

6205
03:53:31,349 --> 03:53:29,359
that was that was

6206
03:53:33,550 --> 03:53:31,359
one of the major wake-up calls i've had

6207
03:53:36,950 --> 03:53:33,560
and i've had

6208
03:53:39,189 --> 03:53:36,960
a lot of mornings where i've had weird

6209
03:53:41,590 --> 03:53:39,199
dreams where i felt like they were in my

6210
03:53:42,870 --> 03:53:41,600
room with me i've woken up with marks to

6211
03:53:46,229 --> 03:53:42,880
correspond

6212
03:53:47,910 --> 03:53:46,239
with the kinds of dreams i've had

6213
03:53:49,750 --> 03:53:47,920
and it's

6214
03:53:53,269 --> 03:53:49,760
it was really crazy

6215
03:53:55,590 --> 03:53:53,279
in some way i was kind of happy that i

6216
03:53:57,269 --> 03:53:55,600
had some sort of justification to all

6217
03:53:59,990 --> 03:53:57,279
the weird things that have happened my

6218
03:54:02,150 --> 03:54:00,000
entire life and then also it was

6219
03:54:05,590 --> 03:54:02,160
very alarming because i have no control

6220
03:54:07,189 --> 03:54:05,600
over it and it's kind of lonesome

6221
03:54:09,269 --> 03:54:07,199
because you don't really have anybody

6222
03:54:11,030 --> 03:54:09,279
you can talk to about it

6223
03:54:13,349 --> 03:54:11,040
thankfully my dad

6224
03:54:15,269 --> 03:54:13,359
has kind of had similar experiences so

6225
03:54:17,429 --> 03:54:15,279
he has been kind of my saving grace and

6226
03:54:20,309 --> 03:54:17,439
that i can talk to him about some of the

6227
03:54:21,910 --> 03:54:20,319
goings-on in my life and we have had a

6228
03:54:24,630 --> 03:54:21,920
few

6229
03:54:26,469 --> 03:54:24,640
sort of shared events um

6230
03:54:27,750 --> 03:54:26,479
so that's been nice but for the most

6231
03:54:30,150 --> 03:54:27,760
part it's

6232
03:54:32,550 --> 03:54:30,160
it's opened my eyes to a lot of things

6233
03:54:35,590 --> 03:54:32,560
and it's made me appreciate and take

6234
03:54:37,910 --> 03:54:35,600
great value in life

6235
03:54:40,630 --> 03:54:37,920
and and just kind of have a whole new

6236
03:54:43,110 --> 03:54:40,640
outlook on humanity and

6237
03:54:45,110 --> 03:54:43,120
also it's very

6238
03:54:47,590 --> 03:54:45,120
stressful because you never know when

6239
03:54:48,550 --> 03:54:47,600
things are going to flare up again

6240
03:54:50,790 --> 03:54:48,560
and

6241
03:54:53,670 --> 03:54:50,800
you have no control of how it's going to

6242
03:54:55,910 --> 03:54:53,680
affect your life outwardly

6243
03:54:57,990 --> 03:54:55,920
and you a lot of times you just want to

6244
03:55:00,150 --> 03:54:58,000
talk to somebody about it and you don't

6245
03:55:01,910 --> 03:55:00,160
always have that opportunity so

6246
03:55:04,469 --> 03:55:01,920
you're struggling with things in kind of

6247
03:55:06,550 --> 03:55:04,479
your private life that you can't really

6248
03:55:08,389 --> 03:55:06,560
explain to anybody else and

6249
03:55:09,750 --> 03:55:08,399
so it's

6250
03:55:12,469 --> 03:55:09,760
taught me to have a really good

6251
03:55:14,630 --> 03:55:12,479
balancing act in life but i thank you

6252
03:55:16,229 --> 03:55:14,640
for having a platform for us to share

6253
03:55:18,229 --> 03:55:16,239
our stories we

6254
03:55:20,070 --> 03:55:18,239
appreciate hearing that we're we're not

6255
03:55:24,790 --> 03:55:20,080
the only people that experience things

6256
03:55:32,150 --> 03:55:29,030
at about 4 44 p.m on november 26

6257
03:55:34,070 --> 03:55:32,160
2009 when i walked out of the avrc

6258
03:55:35,990 --> 03:55:34,080
facility in danville virginia they

6259
03:55:39,110 --> 03:55:36,000
didn't come from anywhere they didn't

6260
03:55:40,389 --> 03:55:39,120
suddenly beam in there they were two

6261
03:55:41,510 --> 03:55:40,399
20-foot

6262
03:55:44,469 --> 03:55:41,520
orbs

6263
03:55:45,429 --> 03:55:44,479
glowing beautiful light uh rose-colored

6264
03:55:50,630 --> 03:55:45,439
light

6265
03:55:52,710 --> 03:55:50,640
sky

6266
03:55:56,469 --> 03:55:52,720
only about 120 feet from the ground only

6267
03:55:58,309 --> 03:55:56,479
about 120 feet from where i was standing

6268
03:55:59,910 --> 03:55:58,319
and

6269
03:56:01,269 --> 03:55:59,920
i should have said something profound

6270
03:56:02,870 --> 03:56:01,279
but all i could say was well will you

6271
03:56:05,590 --> 03:56:02,880
look at that

6272
03:56:08,150 --> 03:56:05,600
i grabbed my binoculars out of my truck

6273
03:56:11,269 --> 03:56:08,160
which is right there and

6274
03:56:13,990 --> 03:56:11,279
watched as the first one that i got into

6275
03:56:17,510 --> 03:56:14,000
focus the lower one in the sky

6276
03:56:20,070 --> 03:56:17,520
began to develop a lip of invisibility

6277
03:56:23,429 --> 03:56:20,080
that covered the whole sphere in the

6278
03:56:25,510 --> 03:56:23,439
course of about 14 seconds

6279
03:56:27,429 --> 03:56:25,520
after which i moved my binoculars to

6280
03:56:29,429 --> 03:56:27,439
look at the other one it too

6281
03:56:32,469 --> 03:56:29,439
began to have a lip of invisibility that

6282
03:56:35,510 --> 03:56:32,479
formed and took about 14 seconds

6283
03:56:37,349 --> 03:56:35,520
to completely cloak it

6284
03:56:40,150 --> 03:56:37,359
ultimately the meaning

6285
03:56:42,870 --> 03:56:40,160
can be boiled down to this as

6286
03:56:45,990 --> 03:56:42,880
we cannot see the stars during the day

6287
03:56:47,349 --> 03:56:46,000
or we cannot see the air we breathe that

6288
03:56:50,070 --> 03:56:47,359
does not mean

6289
03:56:53,990 --> 03:56:50,080
it does not exist or they do not exist

6290
03:56:59,590 --> 03:56:56,790
that great things are coming

6291
03:57:04,070 --> 03:56:59,600
with living for with dying for

6292
03:57:10,150 --> 03:57:08,630
my name is tim mcmillan and in 2011 i

6293
03:57:12,710 --> 03:57:10,160
saw something

6294
03:57:15,910 --> 03:57:12,720
in the sky that i still cannot find a

6295
03:57:17,510 --> 03:57:15,920
pros explanation for it ultimately

6296
03:57:20,150 --> 03:57:17,520
thrusts me down the rabbit hole of the

6297
03:57:22,469 --> 03:57:20,160
entire ufo enigma

6298
03:57:24,790 --> 03:57:22,479
that particular night it was december it

6299
03:57:26,870 --> 03:57:24,800
was a very cold night and i was leaving

6300
03:57:29,030 --> 03:57:26,880
a friend of mine's house in rankin

6301
03:57:32,309 --> 03:57:29,040
georgia just outside savannah

6302
03:57:35,349 --> 03:57:32,319
it's about 11 11 30 at night and me and

6303
03:57:37,750 --> 03:57:35,359
her were just talking in her front yard

6304
03:57:41,030 --> 03:57:37,760
and i remember it was a really bitterly

6305
03:57:42,870 --> 03:57:41,040
cold night and living here on the coast

6306
03:57:44,550 --> 03:57:42,880
it's really on those coldest nights so

6307
03:57:45,429 --> 03:57:44,560
the only times you get to see really

6308
03:57:48,309 --> 03:57:45,439
nice

6309
03:57:50,469 --> 03:57:48,319
beautiful starry skies typically the

6310
03:57:52,870 --> 03:57:50,479
humidity we don't get to see some of

6311
03:57:54,469 --> 03:57:52,880
those really picturesque

6312
03:57:55,349 --> 03:57:54,479
night scenes that other people get to

6313
03:57:58,950 --> 03:57:55,359
see

6314
03:58:00,790 --> 03:57:58,960
and so we were chatting and just

6315
03:58:04,550 --> 03:58:00,800
hanging out before i left

6316
03:58:07,030 --> 03:58:04,560
and admittedly i i've always been a

6317
03:58:08,870 --> 03:58:07,040
stargazer and always had a fascination

6318
03:58:10,389 --> 03:58:08,880
with the sky and so i was gazing up in

6319
03:58:13,030 --> 03:58:10,399
the air

6320
03:58:15,910 --> 03:58:13,040
when suddenly

6321
03:58:17,910 --> 03:58:15,920
inexplicably out of the blue these three

6322
03:58:20,229 --> 03:58:17,920
bright lights

6323
03:58:22,070 --> 03:58:20,239
just popped up as if somebody was

6324
03:58:23,990 --> 03:58:22,080
flipping a light switch and they were in

6325
03:58:26,309 --> 03:58:24,000
a straight line

6326
03:58:28,309 --> 03:58:26,319
and they were

6327
03:58:31,110 --> 03:58:28,319
the brightest color white you could

6328
03:58:33,670 --> 03:58:31,120
possibly imagine

6329
03:58:36,070 --> 03:58:33,680
but yet also had kind of a antique

6330
03:58:39,030 --> 03:58:36,080
yellow tinge to them it's hard to

6331
03:58:40,229 --> 03:58:39,040
describe but they were they just

6332
03:58:41,349 --> 03:58:40,239
like i said it was like somebody cut on

6333
03:58:42,870 --> 03:58:41,359
a light switch

6334
03:58:44,710 --> 03:58:42,880
and uh

6335
03:58:46,070 --> 03:58:44,720
it was one of these events it's not

6336
03:58:47,830 --> 03:58:46,080
something where

6337
03:58:49,670 --> 03:58:47,840
you see something strange in the sky and

6338
03:58:52,710 --> 03:58:49,680
you go hey what's that now this was

6339
03:58:54,309 --> 03:58:52,720
something as soon as it emerged uh both

6340
03:58:57,269 --> 03:58:54,319
me and my friend were

6341
03:58:59,910 --> 03:58:57,279
just holy cow look at that i mean it

6342
03:59:01,429 --> 03:58:59,920
just dominated the night sky and from

6343
03:59:03,590 --> 03:59:01,439
right in front of us

6344
03:59:05,510 --> 03:59:03,600
and um

6345
03:59:07,030 --> 03:59:05,520
perfectly in a straight little

6346
03:59:09,189 --> 03:59:07,040
row you know they were probably about

6347
03:59:10,710 --> 03:59:09,199
the size of a pea if you held it out at

6348
03:59:14,550 --> 03:59:10,720
arm's length

6349
03:59:15,670 --> 03:59:14,560
and they were evenly spaced almost in a

6350
03:59:16,550 --> 03:59:15,680
sequence

6351
03:59:18,550 --> 03:59:16,560
and

6352
03:59:20,710 --> 03:59:18,560
they stayed like that for

6353
03:59:22,389 --> 03:59:20,720
i don't know 10 15 seconds and then they

6354
03:59:24,870 --> 03:59:22,399
all three just went out again as if

6355
03:59:26,870 --> 03:59:24,880
somebody just cut out a light switch

6356
03:59:27,990 --> 03:59:26,880
and so you know we were standing there

6357
03:59:29,030 --> 03:59:28,000
dumbfounded wha

6358
03:59:32,950 --> 03:59:29,040
what

6359
03:59:34,550 --> 03:59:32,960
and and they were kind of low on the

6360
03:59:36,309 --> 03:59:34,560
horizon as well

6361
03:59:37,990 --> 03:59:36,319
and uh

6362
03:59:41,189 --> 03:59:38,000
it definitely didn't look like anything

6363
03:59:43,590 --> 03:59:41,199
we had ever seen before and they they

6364
03:59:47,269 --> 03:59:43,600
stayed off for probably another

6365
03:59:48,950 --> 03:59:47,279
15-20 seconds and then all of a sudden

6366
03:59:50,710 --> 03:59:48,960
the same three lights

6367
03:59:52,070 --> 03:59:50,720
cut right back on

6368
03:59:54,710 --> 03:59:52,080
except this time there were two other

6369
03:59:56,469 --> 03:59:54,720
lights and all of them were in a row as

6370
03:59:57,590 --> 03:59:56,479
if you know they were attached to a

6371
03:59:59,590 --> 03:59:57,600
straight

6372
04:00:01,510 --> 03:59:59,600
uh level surface

6373
04:00:03,750 --> 04:00:01,520
except the the two additional lights

6374
04:00:06,309 --> 04:00:03,760
that came on they were spaced

6375
04:00:07,189 --> 04:00:06,319
uh a little distance away from the first

6376
04:00:10,070 --> 04:00:07,199
three

6377
04:00:12,150 --> 04:00:10,080
and it was only when all five of them

6378
04:00:13,750 --> 04:00:12,160
just caught on like that abruptly

6379
04:00:16,150 --> 04:00:13,760
that i suddenly realized that against

6380
04:00:20,870 --> 04:00:16,160
the ambient light of the horizon there

6381
04:00:23,830 --> 04:00:20,880
appeared to be this kind of rectangular

6382
04:00:24,870 --> 04:00:23,840
almost like a giant pizza box that

6383
04:00:26,950 --> 04:00:24,880
seemed to be

6384
04:00:29,030 --> 04:00:26,960
blocking out the ambient light on the

6385
04:00:30,389 --> 04:00:29,040
horizon um

6386
04:00:32,150 --> 04:00:30,399
i mean if this thing was a solid

6387
04:00:33,110 --> 04:00:32,160
structure it was huge

6388
04:00:34,790 --> 04:00:33,120
um

6389
04:00:36,550 --> 04:00:34,800
and low flying

6390
04:00:38,150 --> 04:00:36,560
uh it didn't make any noise

6391
04:00:40,229 --> 04:00:38,160
and

6392
04:00:41,750 --> 04:00:40,239
with all five lights popped up the

6393
04:00:43,269 --> 04:00:41,760
lights themselves were so bright it was

6394
04:00:45,349 --> 04:00:43,279
kind of difficult to see but you could

6395
04:00:47,670 --> 04:00:45,359
see the the very

6396
04:00:50,950 --> 04:00:47,680
straight edges of what

6397
04:00:52,150 --> 04:00:50,960
looked like a giant pizza box um

6398
04:00:54,150 --> 04:00:52,160
i don't know what color other than it

6399
04:00:56,150 --> 04:00:54,160
was darker darker

6400
04:00:59,670 --> 04:00:56,160
enough that it kind of

6401
04:01:01,990 --> 04:00:59,680
blocked out the city lights there and um

6402
04:01:02,870 --> 04:01:02,000
all five lights stayed on like that

6403
04:01:04,469 --> 04:01:02,880
for

6404
04:01:06,550 --> 04:01:04,479
probably another

6405
04:01:09,750 --> 04:01:06,560
20 seconds or so

6406
04:01:11,269 --> 04:01:09,760
and then all five just disappeared again

6407
04:01:13,990 --> 04:01:11,279
it was as if somebody was flipping a

6408
04:01:15,910 --> 04:01:14,000
switch on and then off

6409
04:01:18,229 --> 04:01:15,920
at the time i uh

6410
04:01:21,349 --> 04:01:18,239
i was a police officer i was a sergeant

6411
04:01:22,950 --> 04:01:21,359
uh i ran a shift a patrol shift

6412
04:01:25,429 --> 04:01:22,960
i'd end up being a lieutenant before i

6413
04:01:28,710 --> 04:01:25,439
retired and the officer who was with me

6414
04:01:31,269 --> 04:01:28,720
she she was a sergeant she still is a

6415
04:01:33,030 --> 04:01:31,279
sergeant with the police force

6416
04:01:34,950 --> 04:01:33,040
and so we were customer-working nights

6417
04:01:36,870 --> 04:01:34,960
we worked in an area where there's a lot

6418
04:01:38,630 --> 04:01:36,880
of military activity hunter army

6419
04:01:41,110 --> 04:01:38,640
airfield fort stewart

6420
04:01:43,990 --> 04:01:41,120
the marine air station at beaufort

6421
04:01:46,389 --> 04:01:44,000
um the air national guard base and so

6422
04:01:49,349 --> 04:01:46,399
we've seen plenty of

6423
04:01:51,670 --> 04:01:49,359
military planes and aircraft and but

6424
04:01:54,150 --> 04:01:51,680
this was not

6425
04:01:56,870 --> 04:01:54,160
anything like i've ever seen before

6426
04:01:58,870 --> 04:01:56,880
either of us yeah

6427
04:02:01,670 --> 04:01:58,880
in addition it was not in an area of the

6428
04:02:03,590 --> 04:02:01,680
sky that should have

6429
04:02:05,189 --> 04:02:03,600
it was not typical for commercial or

6430
04:02:07,189 --> 04:02:05,199
military aircraft it wasn't in one of

6431
04:02:08,710 --> 04:02:07,199
the typical flight lanes

6432
04:02:10,469 --> 04:02:08,720
and

6433
04:02:12,070 --> 04:02:10,479
to this day i

6434
04:02:13,349 --> 04:02:12,080
i have no idea and i've never seen

6435
04:02:15,830 --> 04:02:13,359
anything

6436
04:02:18,150 --> 04:02:15,840
that could possibly

6437
04:02:20,229 --> 04:02:18,160
explain what we saw

6438
04:02:22,469 --> 04:02:20,239
to my knowledge there's there's no

6439
04:02:24,389 --> 04:02:22,479
flying craft

6440
04:02:26,710 --> 04:02:24,399
that i'm aware of they're as large as

6441
04:02:29,030 --> 04:02:26,720
this thing i mean if that solid pizza

6442
04:02:31,910 --> 04:02:29,040
box shape was a solid structure this

6443
04:02:34,469 --> 04:02:31,920
thing would have to have been

6444
04:02:36,070 --> 04:02:34,479
three or four football fields big it was

6445
04:02:37,910 --> 04:02:36,080
massive

6446
04:02:41,110 --> 04:02:37,920
but as soon as those lights cut off

6447
04:02:42,389 --> 04:02:41,120
it was as if it just disappeared

6448
04:02:45,510 --> 04:02:42,399
and um

6449
04:02:46,550 --> 04:02:45,520
i mean i that just i i

6450
04:02:51,510 --> 04:02:46,560
i love

6451
04:02:53,510 --> 04:02:51,520
mysteries and so that was such a

6452
04:02:55,830 --> 04:02:53,520
mysterious occurrence that it

6453
04:02:57,510 --> 04:02:55,840
drove me crazy and it ended up igniting

6454
04:02:59,429 --> 04:02:57,520
this passion and interest to determine

6455
04:03:01,250 --> 04:02:59,439
what have we seen and like i said it

6456
04:03:02,469 --> 04:03:01,260
thrusts me down that rabbit hole of

6457
04:03:04,950 --> 04:03:02,479
[Music]

6458
04:03:06,950 --> 04:03:04,960
really i guess getting into ufology and

6459
04:03:08,630 --> 04:03:06,960
and trying to

6460
04:03:11,830 --> 04:03:08,640
effort to explain

6461
04:03:13,670 --> 04:03:11,840
what what was it that we saw that night

6462
04:03:15,830 --> 04:03:13,680
and and so it

6463
04:03:17,510 --> 04:03:15,840
it definitely

6464
04:03:18,870 --> 04:03:17,520
captured my

6465
04:03:20,790 --> 04:03:18,880
curiosity

6466
04:03:22,950 --> 04:03:20,800
it fascinated me

6467
04:03:25,189 --> 04:03:22,960
and to this day i would still love to

6468
04:03:27,189 --> 04:03:25,199
know what it is that i saw the friend

6469
04:03:30,229 --> 04:03:27,199
that i was with she uh it kind of scared

6470
04:03:32,950 --> 04:03:30,239
her because it was just so outside of

6471
04:03:34,950 --> 04:03:32,960
the norm of what

6472
04:03:36,150 --> 04:03:34,960
is supposed to happen

6473
04:03:37,910 --> 04:03:36,160
and um

6474
04:03:39,670 --> 04:03:37,920
the thing that would it ultimately end

6475
04:03:41,590 --> 04:03:39,680
up shocking me the most is in my efforts

6476
04:03:44,389 --> 04:03:41,600
to try to determine what was this that i

6477
04:03:46,229 --> 04:03:44,399
saw i remember you know doing like every

6478
04:03:48,309 --> 04:03:46,239
other uh you know

6479
04:03:50,309 --> 04:03:48,319
normal modern person in society and

6480
04:03:51,990 --> 04:03:50,319
hitting on google and typing all sorts

6481
04:03:53,429 --> 04:03:52,000
of different search terms to try to

6482
04:03:55,110 --> 04:03:53,439
figure out

6483
04:03:56,469 --> 04:03:55,120
if i could

6484
04:03:58,070 --> 04:03:56,479
determine

6485
04:03:59,030 --> 04:03:58,080
you know anything that could account for

6486
04:04:01,510 --> 04:03:59,040
this

6487
04:04:03,110 --> 04:04:01,520
and i ended up on

6488
04:04:04,150 --> 04:04:03,120
mufon's website

6489
04:04:06,469 --> 04:04:04,160
and

6490
04:04:08,229 --> 04:04:06,479
when i started looking through their

6491
04:04:09,990 --> 04:04:08,239
sighting reports at the time they were

6492
04:04:13,349 --> 04:04:10,000
publicly available

6493
04:04:14,630 --> 04:04:13,359
i was shocked to find out that that very

6494
04:04:15,590 --> 04:04:14,640
same night

6495
04:04:17,349 --> 04:04:15,600
about

6496
04:04:20,389 --> 04:04:17,359
15 20 minutes

6497
04:04:22,630 --> 04:04:20,399
before our sighting siding

6498
04:04:24,469 --> 04:04:22,640
in a city just west of us which was the

6499
04:04:26,550 --> 04:04:24,479
direction that we were

6500
04:04:27,830 --> 04:04:26,560
observing this

6501
04:04:31,429 --> 04:04:27,840
object

6502
04:04:32,550 --> 04:04:31,439
somebody else had reported it to move on

6503
04:04:35,429 --> 04:04:32,560
and

6504
04:04:36,710 --> 04:04:35,439
that was shocking because um

6505
04:04:38,710 --> 04:04:36,720
there was no doubt in my mind that it

6506
04:04:41,910 --> 04:04:38,720
was real

6507
04:04:44,389 --> 04:04:41,920
but to have an independent eyewitness

6508
04:04:46,309 --> 04:04:44,399
in a totally different area that i still

6509
04:04:48,550 --> 04:04:46,319
to this day have no clue who those

6510
04:04:50,550 --> 04:04:48,560
people are but

6511
04:04:52,309 --> 04:04:50,560
to corroborate what we had seen they saw

6512
04:04:53,429 --> 04:04:52,319
exactly they described exactly what we

6513
04:04:56,229 --> 04:04:53,439
had seen

6514
04:04:58,550 --> 04:04:56,239
but now this became very very real

6515
04:05:00,150 --> 04:04:58,560
there's no no other remaining doubts

6516
04:05:02,469 --> 04:05:00,160
that somehow we

6517
04:05:04,150 --> 04:05:02,479
we could have hallucinated this though i

6518
04:05:06,229 --> 04:05:04,160
never really

6519
04:05:07,910 --> 04:05:06,239
believed that to begin with

6520
04:05:10,550 --> 04:05:07,920
and so

6521
04:05:12,389 --> 04:05:10,560
then it became very real because i

6522
04:05:15,429 --> 04:05:12,399
became a part of

6523
04:05:17,510 --> 04:05:15,439
i had seen something with someone else

6524
04:05:20,309 --> 04:05:17,520
that equally saw it

6525
04:05:22,630 --> 04:05:20,319
that now it was real

6526
04:05:23,910 --> 04:05:22,640
and i didn't know i ended up reporting

6527
04:05:25,910 --> 04:05:23,920
the sighting and i think that was one of

6528
04:05:36,790 --> 04:05:25,920
the

6529
04:05:38,309 --> 04:05:36,800
what what is it and he said uh it's a

6530
04:05:39,429 --> 04:05:38,319
ufo

6531
04:05:42,229 --> 04:05:39,439
we don't know

6532
04:05:43,910 --> 04:05:42,239
yeah that was uh

6533
04:05:45,750 --> 04:05:43,920
like i said i like solving mysteries and

6534
04:05:47,750 --> 04:05:45,760
that didn't stick with me and still has

6535
04:05:49,189 --> 04:05:47,760
them to this day and so

6536
04:05:51,269 --> 04:05:49,199
the past eight years since then i've

6537
04:05:52,630 --> 04:05:51,279
been very heavily involved

6538
04:05:55,030 --> 04:05:52,640
in trying to determine not just what i

6539
04:05:57,990 --> 04:05:55,040
saw but what are other people saying

6540
04:06:00,870 --> 04:05:58,000
and so it it ultimately all began that

6541
04:06:02,790 --> 04:06:00,880
one december night and uh

6542
04:06:04,790 --> 04:06:02,800
yeah i don't expect anybody to believe

6543
04:06:06,870 --> 04:06:04,800
it just by my word but i

6544
04:06:10,469 --> 04:06:06,880
most definitely know what i saw

6545
04:06:13,349 --> 04:06:10,479
and it wasn't flares it wasn't uh

6546
04:06:16,389 --> 04:06:13,359
paradoria it wasn't anything like that

6547
04:06:21,280 --> 04:06:16,399
it was something what that something was

6548
04:06:31,910 --> 04:06:21,290
i don't know but it was definitely real

6549
04:06:35,429 --> 04:06:33,670
all right welcome to summer in the skies

6550
04:06:37,670 --> 04:06:35,439
i am your host ryan sprague and with me

6551
04:06:40,630 --> 04:06:37,680
today is jason mcclellan from the

6552
04:06:44,710 --> 04:06:40,640
unknown podcast and we are live at alien

6553
04:06:48,229 --> 04:06:46,309
oh thank god i'm always worried about

6554
04:06:50,070 --> 04:06:48,239
that that it's going to be qriket so

6555
04:06:51,590 --> 04:06:50,080
thank you thank you so much for joining

6556
04:06:53,349 --> 04:06:51,600
me today you're never crickets at alien

6557
04:06:55,750 --> 04:06:53,359
college everybody's excited

6558
04:06:58,070 --> 04:06:55,760
is the best ufo conference and we do

6559
04:07:00,630 --> 04:06:58,080
these things all the time but alien con

6560
04:07:03,110 --> 04:07:00,640
is by far the biggest and the funnest

6561
04:07:05,349 --> 04:07:03,120
event bringing people together of all

6562
04:07:06,630 --> 04:07:05,359
walks of life to talk about ancient

6563
04:07:09,990 --> 04:07:06,640
alien theory

6564
04:07:11,110 --> 04:07:10,000
aliens in general experiences ufos

6565
04:07:13,349 --> 04:07:11,120
it's a place where we can all come

6566
04:07:15,269 --> 04:07:13,359
together talk about it not be judged and

6567
04:07:17,189 --> 04:07:15,279
have a good time so that's kind of what

6568
04:07:19,110 --> 04:07:17,199
we're going to be doing today

6569
04:07:21,670 --> 04:07:19,120
this is a series of my show i call

6570
04:07:23,670 --> 04:07:21,680
witness accounts and this is where

6571
04:07:26,150 --> 04:07:23,680
people come onto my show and tell their

6572
04:07:28,950 --> 04:07:26,160
ufo stories in their own voices i think

6573
04:07:31,429 --> 04:07:28,960
that is much much more important than me

6574
04:07:34,070 --> 04:07:31,439
relaying their story to the audience is

6575
04:07:35,030 --> 04:07:34,080
hearing them tell their own story how

6576
04:07:39,429 --> 04:07:35,040
they

6577
04:07:41,349 --> 04:07:39,439
and the impact it had on their lives

6578
04:07:43,429 --> 04:07:41,359
ufos come and go in the blink of an eye

6579
04:07:46,790 --> 04:07:43,439
but the impact they have on people can

6580
04:07:48,710 --> 04:07:46,800
be extremely strong in many aspects of

6581
04:07:50,950 --> 04:07:48,720
their lives so what we're going to sort

6582
04:07:53,590 --> 04:07:50,960
of start out with here today is telling

6583
04:07:55,910 --> 04:07:53,600
you guys about our own personal uf

6584
04:07:57,910 --> 04:07:55,920
encounters because we both have had them

6585
04:08:00,550 --> 04:07:57,920
and that's kind of set us on the path we

6586
04:08:02,309 --> 04:08:00,560
are today so i i guess i'll share mine

6587
04:08:05,910 --> 04:08:02,319
first if you don't mind yeah sure yeah

6588
04:08:09,030 --> 04:08:05,920
yeah um so i was 12 years old and this

6589
04:08:11,750 --> 04:08:09,040
was in the uh central new york area on

6590
04:08:14,070 --> 04:08:11,760
the east coast and i was fishing off of

6591
04:08:16,389 --> 04:08:14,080
a dock at a motel with my parents and we

6592
04:08:18,469 --> 04:08:16,399
were on a weekend getaway and this river

6593
04:08:20,309 --> 04:08:18,479
the st lawrence river literally

6594
04:08:21,349 --> 04:08:20,319
was the border between the u.s and

6595
04:08:24,870 --> 04:08:21,359
canada

6596
04:08:27,590 --> 04:08:24,880
and it was just turning dark and i was

6597
04:08:30,309 --> 04:08:27,600
out on the dock at the motel fishing by

6598
04:08:33,510 --> 04:08:30,319
myself listening to uh to green day on

6599
04:08:35,510 --> 04:08:33,520
my discman this is back in 1995. yep it

6600
04:08:37,830 --> 04:08:35,520
was the dookie album i remember that

6601
04:08:39,349 --> 04:08:37,840
specifically and um

6602
04:08:41,189 --> 04:08:39,359
it was starting to get dark so i reeled

6603
04:08:44,389 --> 04:08:41,199
my line in because i was done for the

6604
04:08:47,510 --> 04:08:44,399
night and i noticed a reflection in the

6605
04:08:49,110 --> 04:08:47,520
water and it was three white lights and

6606
04:08:51,269 --> 04:08:49,120
at first i thought it was something in

6607
04:08:53,269 --> 04:08:51,279
the water so i like got down and looked

6608
04:08:54,309 --> 04:08:53,279
and then i realized you know clearly

6609
04:08:55,510 --> 04:08:54,319
this was a

6610
04:08:57,830 --> 04:08:55,520
reflection

6611
04:08:58,710 --> 04:08:57,840
so naturally i look up

6612
04:09:01,510 --> 04:08:58,720
and

6613
04:09:04,070 --> 04:09:01,520
i can't tell you how high it was but

6614
04:09:06,389 --> 04:09:04,080
there was a triangular formation with

6615
04:09:07,590 --> 04:09:06,399
three white lights and a sort of

6616
04:09:10,630 --> 04:09:07,600
like

6617
04:09:12,630 --> 04:09:10,640
reddish orange basketball thing in the

6618
04:09:14,389 --> 04:09:12,640
middle and it was just hovering above me

6619
04:09:16,550 --> 04:09:14,399
this formation i didn't see like a

6620
04:09:19,349 --> 04:09:16,560
structure to this thing i didn't see any

6621
04:09:21,269 --> 04:09:19,359
mechanics nothing like that i only saw

6622
04:09:23,750 --> 04:09:21,279
this formation of lights but i could not

6623
04:09:25,269 --> 04:09:23,760
see anything behind the formation i

6624
04:09:27,750 --> 04:09:25,279
couldn't see the stars i couldn't see

6625
04:09:30,070 --> 04:09:27,760
the moon nothing like that and it just

6626
04:09:31,910 --> 04:09:30,080
hovered silently over my head it was

6627
04:09:34,309 --> 04:09:31,920
very very big

6628
04:09:36,790 --> 04:09:34,319
and i remember trying to scream for my

6629
04:09:38,469 --> 04:09:36,800
father who was in the motel probably

6630
04:09:40,950 --> 04:09:38,479
i don't know maybe like 40 feet away

6631
04:09:43,030 --> 04:09:40,960
from me and i couldn't i couldn't get

6632
04:09:46,070 --> 04:09:43,040
anything out i was so scared at what i

6633
04:09:48,469 --> 04:09:46,080
was looking at and i felt frozen there i

6634
04:09:50,389 --> 04:09:48,479
i couldn't move and i just kind of

6635
04:09:52,950 --> 04:09:50,399
stared up kept watching this thing and

6636
04:09:55,429 --> 04:09:52,960
then it started to float over the water

6637
04:09:58,790 --> 04:09:55,439
and that's when i finally for some

6638
04:10:02,309 --> 04:09:58,800
reason was able to like get out of this

6639
04:10:04,229 --> 04:10:02,319
frozen state and i squealed to my father

6640
04:10:06,309 --> 04:10:04,239
i was like dad dad you got to see this

6641
04:10:09,030 --> 04:10:06,319
and he runs out and he did catch the

6642
04:10:10,389 --> 04:10:09,040
tail end of this triangular formation as

6643
04:10:12,389 --> 04:10:10,399
it either

6644
04:10:14,469 --> 04:10:12,399
headed towards canada and disappeared

6645
04:10:16,550 --> 04:10:14,479
out of sight or literally submerged in

6646
04:10:18,790 --> 04:10:16,560
the water neither of us know we've

6647
04:10:20,630 --> 04:10:18,800
argued about that about what we both

6648
04:10:22,950 --> 04:10:20,640
think happened

6649
04:10:25,750 --> 04:10:22,960
but that was kind of it for me

6650
04:10:26,550 --> 04:10:25,760
i was terrified at what i'd seen i knew

6651
04:10:29,750 --> 04:10:26,560
that

6652
04:10:31,670 --> 04:10:29,760
planes made noise and this made no noise

6653
04:10:33,590 --> 04:10:31,680
it hovered and then started to move

6654
04:10:36,150 --> 04:10:33,600
silently and

6655
04:10:38,710 --> 04:10:36,160
i had nightmares for years after that i

6656
04:10:41,110 --> 04:10:38,720
didn't really talk about it with anyone

6657
04:10:43,590 --> 04:10:41,120
and my dad didn't talk about it either

6658
04:10:45,670 --> 04:10:43,600
and um i kind of became obsessed after

6659
04:10:48,950 --> 04:10:45,680
that i wanted to sort of educate myself

6660
04:10:50,550 --> 04:10:48,960
to get rid of of that uh fear and terror

6661
04:10:53,750 --> 04:10:50,560
that i felt that night i started taking

6662
04:10:56,309 --> 04:10:53,760
out books at the library on ufos and

6663
04:10:58,150 --> 04:10:56,319
bigfoot anything i could get my hands on

6664
04:10:59,670 --> 04:10:58,160
and that kind of

6665
04:11:01,189 --> 04:10:59,680
sent me on the path i am today

6666
04:11:03,189 --> 04:11:01,199
interviewing witnesses who've had

6667
04:11:04,550 --> 04:11:03,199
experiences like me

6668
04:11:06,550 --> 04:11:04,560
were afraid to talk about it for a

6669
04:11:08,790 --> 04:11:06,560
really long time but now are ready to

6670
04:11:10,630 --> 04:11:08,800
embrace it so it's interesting every

6671
04:11:13,189 --> 04:11:10,640
time i hear your story

6672
04:11:15,510 --> 04:11:13,199
that the fear you describe

6673
04:11:17,590 --> 04:11:15,520
right because it seems

6674
04:11:19,429 --> 04:11:17,600
irrational when you think about it

6675
04:11:21,830 --> 04:11:19,439
because this thing didn't

6676
04:11:23,429 --> 04:11:21,840
do any sort of hostile act towards you

6677
04:11:25,429 --> 04:11:23,439
it didn't do anything that made you

6678
04:11:26,389 --> 04:11:25,439
think it was going to hurt you

6679
04:11:29,670 --> 04:11:26,399
but

6680
04:11:31,830 --> 04:11:29,680
it was this unknown and that unknown

6681
04:11:34,150 --> 04:11:31,840
created this fear and that's common

6682
04:11:35,590 --> 04:11:34,160
among people who who witness these

6683
04:11:37,030 --> 04:11:35,600
bizarre things they can't explain that

6684
04:11:38,870 --> 04:11:37,040
are outside of their reality oh

6685
04:11:41,349 --> 04:11:38,880
absolutely and i mean again i was only a

6686
04:11:43,830 --> 04:11:41,359
kid but i knew i mean and i was no

6687
04:11:46,229 --> 04:11:43,840
aviation expert but i knew that whatever

6688
04:11:49,110 --> 04:11:46,239
the thing was it should have been making

6689
04:11:52,469 --> 04:11:49,120
some sort of noise if this was like a

6690
04:11:55,670 --> 04:11:52,479
vehicle of some sort or a blimp or um

6691
04:11:57,349 --> 04:11:55,680
even a balloon like this thing hovered

6692
04:11:58,950 --> 04:11:57,359
stopped hovered stopped and then went

6693
04:12:01,189 --> 04:11:58,960
over the water so

6694
04:12:04,630 --> 04:12:01,199
it was it was a fear of the unknown i

6695
04:12:06,469 --> 04:12:04,640
think that that really stuck with me

6696
04:12:08,630 --> 04:12:06,479
yeah but yeah i know jason you've had a

6697
04:12:10,229 --> 04:12:08,640
few experiences so i would love if you

6698
04:12:12,630 --> 04:12:10,239
wouldn't mind sharing some of those with

6699
04:12:14,710 --> 04:12:12,640
the audience as well sure

6700
04:12:16,790 --> 04:12:14,720
the most exciting one i think probably

6701
04:12:18,469 --> 04:12:16,800
has to be the phoenix lights and many of

6702
04:12:21,030 --> 04:12:18,479
you are probably familiar with the

6703
04:12:23,590 --> 04:12:21,040
phoenix lights but just a quick overview

6704
04:12:24,870 --> 04:12:23,600
the phoenix lights occurred

6705
04:12:26,790 --> 04:12:24,880
over the state of arizona and some

6706
04:12:30,229 --> 04:12:26,800
neighboring states too

6707
04:12:32,070 --> 04:12:30,239
in march of 1997. this was a mass ufo

6708
04:12:33,670 --> 04:12:32,080
sighting seen by thousands of people

6709
04:12:36,070 --> 04:12:33,680
across the state

6710
04:12:38,070 --> 04:12:36,080
as with any ufo sighting and

6711
04:12:41,030 --> 04:12:38,080
specifically a mass ufo sighting you

6712
04:12:42,630 --> 04:12:41,040
have varying stories from all these

6713
04:12:44,150 --> 04:12:42,640
witnesses that's how witness testimony

6714
04:12:46,389 --> 04:12:44,160
works

6715
04:12:48,469 --> 04:12:46,399
but essentially a large craft was seen

6716
04:12:50,950 --> 04:12:48,479
traversing the entire state

6717
04:12:53,349 --> 04:12:50,960
by lots of people there was also

6718
04:12:55,349 --> 04:12:53,359
a series of about seven lights seen just

6719
04:12:58,950 --> 04:12:55,359
stationary in the sky

6720
04:13:01,030 --> 04:12:58,960
and they were also reportedly military

6721
04:13:03,030 --> 04:13:01,040
flares dropped that night at a different

6722
04:13:05,110 --> 04:13:03,040
time that doesn't coincide with the mass

6723
04:13:08,550 --> 04:13:05,120
sighting that occurred

6724
04:13:11,429 --> 04:13:08,560
what i witnessed that night was a series

6725
04:13:12,389 --> 04:13:11,439
of seven stationary lights in the sky

6726
04:13:14,389 --> 04:13:12,399
and

6727
04:13:17,189 --> 04:13:14,399
although that doesn't sound all that

6728
04:13:19,030 --> 04:13:17,199
exciting especially for somebody like me

6729
04:13:21,429 --> 04:13:19,040
now looking back on it somebody who

6730
04:13:23,750 --> 04:13:21,439
spent more than a decade researching and

6731
04:13:25,910 --> 04:13:23,760
writing about ufos and

6732
04:13:27,830 --> 04:13:25,920
really looking into strange things in

6733
04:13:29,910 --> 04:13:27,840
the sky and not so strange things in the

6734
04:13:31,429 --> 04:13:29,920
sky to learn what

6735
04:13:33,510 --> 04:13:31,439
is up there what isn't up there and what

6736
04:13:35,110 --> 04:13:33,520
things should look like in the sky if i

6737
04:13:37,349 --> 04:13:35,120
were to see those things

6738
04:13:40,710 --> 04:13:37,359
that night was really bizarre for me so

6739
04:13:44,149 --> 04:13:40,720
i i grew up in rural arizona on the far

6740
04:13:45,750 --> 04:13:44,159
west side of the phoenix metro area

6741
04:13:48,550 --> 04:13:45,760
nothing around

6742
04:13:51,189 --> 04:13:48,560
very remote area just out in the desert

6743
04:13:52,790 --> 04:13:51,199
so on and i spent a lot of time outside

6744
04:13:55,189 --> 04:13:52,800
and specifically camping too because

6745
04:13:58,070 --> 04:13:55,199
there was nothing else for me to do

6746
04:13:59,990 --> 04:13:58,080
very very sad childhood

6747
04:14:02,070 --> 04:14:00,000
so spent a lot of time outside and was

6748
04:14:04,790 --> 04:14:02,080
just walking around our property that

6749
04:14:07,510 --> 04:14:04,800
night and happened to notice this series

6750
04:14:09,429 --> 04:14:07,520
of seven lights just hovering what

6751
04:14:10,870 --> 04:14:09,439
seemed to be directly overhead they

6752
04:14:12,149 --> 04:14:10,880
weren't moving

6753
04:14:13,670 --> 04:14:12,159
they weren't

6754
04:14:15,030 --> 04:14:13,680
making any sound

6755
04:14:18,469 --> 04:14:15,040
they weren't

6756
04:14:20,070 --> 04:14:18,479
altering at all in their luminosity or

6757
04:14:22,710 --> 04:14:20,080
anything they were just these solid

6758
04:14:24,070 --> 04:14:22,720
lights that were there in the sky above

6759
04:14:24,790 --> 04:14:24,080
my head

6760
04:14:27,349 --> 04:14:24,800
so

6761
04:14:28,469 --> 04:14:27,359
i watched them for a while and

6762
04:14:34,710 --> 04:14:28,479
i was

6763
04:14:36,710 --> 04:14:34,720
teenager with a short attention span so

6764
04:14:40,389 --> 04:14:36,720
after watching these things for a while

6765
04:14:42,630 --> 04:14:40,399
i got bored and i went back inside

6766
04:14:44,630 --> 04:14:42,640
well i came out sometime later

6767
04:14:46,229 --> 04:14:44,640
those lights were still there

6768
04:14:47,269 --> 04:14:46,239
and at some point

6769
04:15:09,750 --> 04:14:47,279
i

6770
04:15:12,229 --> 04:15:09,760
the sky

6771
04:15:14,149 --> 04:15:12,239
i was very familiar with military flares

6772
04:15:16,710 --> 04:15:14,159
because i grew up

6773
04:15:19,030 --> 04:15:16,720
where i had line of sight to the berry

6774
04:15:20,309 --> 04:15:19,040
goldwater test range which is where they

6775
04:15:23,189 --> 04:15:20,319
frequently

6776
04:15:24,950 --> 04:15:23,199
would drop military flares i saw these

6777
04:15:27,189 --> 04:15:24,960
things all the time and knew what

6778
04:15:29,590 --> 04:15:27,199
military flares looked like and saw them

6779
04:15:32,309 --> 04:15:29,600
quite frequently what i saw was not

6780
04:15:33,830 --> 04:15:32,319
military flares what i saw i have no

6781
04:15:36,070 --> 04:15:33,840
idea

6782
04:15:38,229 --> 04:15:36,080
what could possibly explain what i saw

6783
04:15:40,229 --> 04:15:38,239
even to this day looking back you know

6784
04:15:42,070 --> 04:15:40,239
with hindsight knowing what i know now

6785
04:15:44,309 --> 04:15:42,080
with all of my investigation and looking

6786
04:15:46,630 --> 04:15:44,319
into ufos specifically

6787
04:15:48,710 --> 04:15:46,640
i still cannot

6788
04:15:50,550 --> 04:15:48,720
come up with any logical explanation for

6789
04:15:52,309 --> 04:15:50,560
what i saw that night

6790
04:15:55,510 --> 04:15:52,319
yeah the phoenix lights is probably one

6791
04:15:58,229 --> 04:15:55,520
of the most famous mass ufo sightings

6792
04:16:00,550 --> 04:15:58,239
uh in history and what a lot of people

6793
04:16:01,429 --> 04:16:00,560
don't really take into consideration

6794
04:16:05,349 --> 04:16:01,439
is

6795
04:16:07,429 --> 04:16:05,359
people reported it and so many people

6796
04:16:09,990 --> 04:16:07,439
were affected by it and the official

6797
04:16:12,950 --> 04:16:10,000
title for this episode is the power of

6798
04:16:14,710 --> 04:16:12,960
witness testimony and i

6799
04:16:17,110 --> 04:16:14,720
wanted to ask jason

6800
04:16:19,349 --> 04:16:17,120
along with some of you later on what

6801
04:16:22,389 --> 04:16:19,359
importance witness testimony plays

6802
04:16:24,870 --> 04:16:22,399
within the ufo research that we do

6803
04:16:27,030 --> 04:16:24,880
you can have dates and times of a ufo

6804
04:16:29,910 --> 04:16:27,040
event you can have all the data you want

6805
04:16:32,149 --> 04:16:29,920
but if you don't have a witness telling

6806
04:16:35,030 --> 04:16:32,159
the story of what they

6807
04:16:37,429 --> 04:16:35,040
saw or experienced we have absolutely

6808
04:16:39,590 --> 04:16:37,439
nothing to work off of so

6809
04:16:40,950 --> 04:16:39,600
how important is that jason sometimes

6810
04:16:43,189 --> 04:16:40,960
it's really like you said it's all we

6811
04:16:45,670 --> 04:16:43,199
have you know and in the it you and i

6812
04:16:47,670 --> 04:16:45,680
talk about this a lot but right now you

6813
04:16:49,910 --> 04:16:47,680
know people want photos and videos of

6814
04:16:52,309 --> 04:16:49,920
ufos and that's fantastic i would love

6815
04:16:54,229 --> 04:16:52,319
photos and videos of ufos and we see

6816
04:16:55,189 --> 04:16:54,239
lots of them all the time

6817
04:16:56,389 --> 04:16:55,199
however

6818
04:16:57,910 --> 04:16:56,399
we know that

6819
04:16:59,030 --> 04:16:57,920
we live in a time where photos and

6820
04:17:02,070 --> 04:16:59,040
videos

6821
04:17:04,070 --> 04:17:02,080
can be faked very easily you can

6822
04:17:06,550 --> 04:17:04,080
pull out an app on your phone and create

6823
04:17:07,670 --> 04:17:06,560
a very realistic ufo sighting right out

6824
04:17:08,870 --> 04:17:07,680
the window

6825
04:17:10,950 --> 04:17:08,880
you know so

6826
04:17:13,110 --> 04:17:10,960
on one hand as a researcher you want the

6827
04:17:14,710 --> 04:17:13,120
best photo and video evidence on the

6828
04:17:16,149 --> 04:17:14,720
other hand you know

6829
04:17:18,229 --> 04:17:16,159
that only counts for so much it

6830
04:17:20,309 --> 04:17:18,239
contributes it's contributing evidence

6831
04:17:22,229 --> 04:17:20,319
but you also know it can be very very

6832
04:17:24,149 --> 04:17:22,239
very faked however with the phoenix

6833
04:17:25,830 --> 04:17:24,159
slide specifically i'll point out yes

6834
04:17:27,269 --> 04:17:25,840
you had thousands of witnesses and

6835
04:17:29,750 --> 04:17:27,279
that's you think about that you're all

6836
04:17:31,429 --> 04:17:29,760
oh that's cool thousands of people saw

6837
04:17:34,229 --> 04:17:31,439
these lights in the sky or saw a craft

6838
04:17:36,630 --> 04:17:34,239
moving across the state that's cool

6839
04:17:38,870 --> 04:17:36,640
but then you take it further

6840
04:17:40,550 --> 04:17:38,880
and you talk about the governor of the

6841
04:17:43,429 --> 04:17:40,560
state at that time you bring the

6842
04:17:45,110 --> 04:17:43,439
government into it and at the time

6843
04:17:46,870 --> 04:17:45,120
yes when people think about this they

6844
04:17:49,110 --> 04:17:46,880
think about how he publicly sort of

6845
04:17:51,189 --> 04:17:49,120
ridiculed it on tv he held a press

6846
04:17:53,189 --> 04:17:51,199
conference he brought out his staffer in

6847
04:17:55,670 --> 04:17:53,199
an alien costume and said we found the

6848
04:17:57,590 --> 04:17:55,680
culprit responsible and sort of made a

6849
04:17:59,269 --> 04:17:57,600
joke out of it said this just shows you

6850
04:18:00,630 --> 04:17:59,279
people are taking it way too seriously

6851
04:18:02,710 --> 04:18:00,640
chill out

6852
04:18:04,229 --> 04:18:02,720
later he went on the record and said he

6853
04:18:05,510 --> 04:18:04,239
did that because people were freaking

6854
04:18:07,590 --> 04:18:05,520
out he wanted to

6855
04:18:09,349 --> 04:18:07,600
calm the public

6856
04:18:11,590 --> 04:18:09,359
but the biggest thing and again this

6857
04:18:13,349 --> 04:18:11,600
comes witness testimony and the power of

6858
04:18:15,030 --> 04:18:13,359
witness testimony when you

6859
04:18:17,429 --> 04:18:15,040
bring the government into it this was

6860
04:18:19,750 --> 04:18:17,439
the governor of the state of arizona

6861
04:18:22,469 --> 04:18:19,760
and he went on cnn and later some

6862
04:18:25,030 --> 04:18:22,479
documentaries too to state that he too

6863
04:18:27,590 --> 04:18:25,040
saw the phoenix lights that night

6864
04:18:29,990 --> 04:18:27,600
he was bewildered by them he had been an

6865
04:18:31,590 --> 04:18:30,000
air force pilot and knew what things

6866
04:18:34,149 --> 04:18:31,600
looked like in the sky

6867
04:18:35,670 --> 04:18:34,159
he actively tried to get answers from

6868
04:18:37,590 --> 04:18:35,680
the military

6869
04:18:39,349 --> 04:18:37,600
about what happened that night

6870
04:18:41,110 --> 04:18:39,359
they wouldn't give him any information

6871
04:18:42,469 --> 04:18:41,120
it wasn't until i think more than a year

6872
04:18:44,070 --> 04:18:42,479
later when they came out and said oh

6873
04:18:45,429 --> 04:18:44,080
yeah by the way that was us we dropped

6874
04:18:47,269 --> 04:18:45,439
flares but

6875
04:18:48,870 --> 04:18:47,279
their explanation they gave

6876
04:18:50,630 --> 04:18:48,880
didn't even align with the time when the

6877
04:18:51,830 --> 04:18:50,640
incident happened but this was the

6878
04:18:54,950 --> 04:18:51,840
governor of the state trying to get

6879
04:18:57,750 --> 04:18:54,960
answers from the air force base in

6880
04:19:00,229 --> 04:18:57,760
in arizona he couldn't get answers at

6881
04:19:02,630 --> 04:19:00,239
all and he also says that not only was

6882
04:19:04,550 --> 04:19:02,640
he witnessed that night but

6883
04:19:06,309 --> 04:19:04,560
what he saw was not of this earth that's

6884
04:19:08,870 --> 04:19:06,319
the governor of the state of arizona

6885
04:19:09,670 --> 04:19:08,880
going on record making that claim

6886
04:19:11,349 --> 04:19:09,680
so

6887
04:19:12,790 --> 04:19:11,359
yes it's powerful when you have

6888
04:19:14,630 --> 04:19:12,800
thousands of people

6889
04:19:16,469 --> 04:19:14,640
you know when you talk about it or read

6890
04:19:18,469 --> 04:19:16,479
about it that's just a num you know

6891
04:19:20,070 --> 04:19:18,479
number on a paper when you're reading a

6892
04:19:22,550 --> 04:19:20,080
story or oh yeah thousands of people

6893
04:19:24,710 --> 04:19:22,560
that's cool but then when you bring in

6894
04:19:25,910 --> 04:19:24,720
somebody in a governmental

6895
04:19:28,550 --> 04:19:25,920
public service position like the

6896
04:19:30,630 --> 04:19:28,560
governor of a state also saying yeah i

6897
04:19:33,030 --> 04:19:30,640
saw two and it wasn't from this planet

6898
04:19:34,550 --> 04:19:33,040
yeah that's powerful it's very powerful

6899
04:19:36,389 --> 04:19:34,560
and i think what's also really

6900
04:19:38,790 --> 04:19:36,399
interesting is uh we both work with a

6901
04:19:40,550 --> 04:19:38,800
colleague named cheryl costa who wrote a

6902
04:19:43,429 --> 04:19:40,560
desk reference book that's literally

6903
04:19:46,630 --> 04:19:43,439
like this thick and it goes from oh my

6904
04:19:49,510 --> 04:19:46,640
oh maybe like two decades of ufo reports

6905
04:19:51,750 --> 04:19:49,520
throughout the united states it goes by

6906
04:19:54,149 --> 04:19:51,760
i think count from like

6907
04:19:56,830 --> 04:19:54,159
state all the way down to county of

6908
04:20:00,550 --> 04:19:56,840
reported ufo events in a certain area

6909
04:20:02,710 --> 04:20:00,560
and it's amazing to see these graphs and

6910
04:20:05,349 --> 04:20:02,720
charts of all this data that she's

6911
04:20:08,149 --> 04:20:05,359
brought forward but it also helps us as

6912
04:20:10,550 --> 04:20:08,159
ufo researchers to find these areas

6913
04:20:12,070 --> 04:20:10,560
these hotbeds as we call them of where

6914
04:20:13,510 --> 04:20:12,080
all these reports are coming from so if

6915
04:20:15,110 --> 04:20:13,520
you have an area in

6916
04:20:16,469 --> 04:20:15,120
you know somewhere in california where

6917
04:20:19,269 --> 04:20:16,479
there's been

6918
04:20:21,830 --> 04:20:19,279
700 reports versus somewhere else in the

6919
04:20:23,910 --> 04:20:21,840
country that had two reports we're gonna

6920
04:20:25,590 --> 04:20:23,920
go to that area because clearly there's

6921
04:20:27,110 --> 04:20:25,600
activity going on there that a lot of

6922
04:20:28,790 --> 04:20:27,120
people are seeing and we're going to

6923
04:20:31,269 --> 04:20:28,800
interview the people who saw these

6924
04:20:33,189 --> 04:20:31,279
things and get their stories so i think

6925
04:20:35,110 --> 04:20:33,199
while data and

6926
04:20:35,990 --> 04:20:35,120
all that is very important

6927
04:20:37,990 --> 04:20:36,000
it's

6928
04:20:40,309 --> 04:20:38,000
mixing that with the story and trying to

6929
04:20:43,110 --> 04:20:40,319
find patterns that that really brings

6930
04:20:44,469 --> 04:20:43,120
ufology to life you have the people who

6931
04:20:46,790 --> 04:20:44,479
work with witnesses and then you have

6932
04:20:49,349 --> 04:20:46,800
the people who record the data and i

6933
04:20:51,030 --> 04:20:49,359
love ufo data so much so cheryl's work

6934
04:20:52,469 --> 04:20:51,040
is is awesome it's nice to have that

6935
04:20:54,389 --> 04:20:52,479
data to point to

6936
04:20:56,870 --> 04:20:54,399
but yeah coming back to to witness

6937
04:20:58,950 --> 04:20:56,880
testimony i love seeing that being a

6938
04:21:01,429 --> 04:20:58,960
huge emphasis in the history channel's

6939
04:21:03,510 --> 04:21:01,439
new show unidentified they really focus

6940
04:21:06,389 --> 04:21:03,520
on witness testimony and specifically

6941
04:21:08,790 --> 04:21:06,399
the witness testimony of navy fighter

6942
04:21:11,510 --> 04:21:08,800
pilots and and navy service members

6943
04:21:14,149 --> 04:21:11,520
aboard ships who are operating radar

6944
04:21:15,030 --> 04:21:14,159
systems and you know hearing

6945
04:21:17,510 --> 04:21:15,040
from

6946
04:21:19,510 --> 04:21:17,520
service members about ufo encounters

6947
04:21:21,189 --> 04:21:19,520
that's also very powerful absolutely i

6948
04:21:24,070 --> 04:21:21,199
mean i'm going to be talking to one of

6949
04:21:26,870 --> 04:21:24,080
the navy radar operators that was a part

6950
04:21:28,710 --> 04:21:26,880
of the nimitz encounter later this week

6951
04:21:30,870 --> 04:21:28,720
and already

6952
04:21:33,269 --> 04:21:30,880
after a phone interview with him he told

6953
04:21:35,910 --> 04:21:33,279
me flat out like this changed my life it

6954
04:21:39,189 --> 04:21:35,920
really did i was there to do my job i

6955
04:21:41,590 --> 04:21:39,199
fell into a ufo event and it's changed

6956
04:21:43,110 --> 04:21:41,600
every aspect of my life since then so

6957
04:21:45,269 --> 04:21:43,120
again about the power of witness

6958
04:21:46,149 --> 04:21:45,279
testimony you

6959
04:21:47,189 --> 04:21:46,159
talk

6960
04:21:48,550 --> 04:21:47,199
a lot

6961
04:21:49,590 --> 04:21:48,560
to witnesses

6962
04:21:51,590 --> 04:21:49,600
people who

6963
04:21:54,070 --> 04:21:51,600
claim to have seen lights in the sky all

6964
04:21:56,149 --> 04:21:54,080
the way to having uh you know encounter

6965
04:21:57,510 --> 04:21:56,159
experiences abduction experiences things

6966
04:21:59,189 --> 04:21:57,520
like that

6967
04:22:01,030 --> 04:21:59,199
and in in your case

6968
04:22:02,870 --> 04:22:01,040
you know i know you've read

6969
04:22:04,790 --> 04:22:02,880
like emails they've written or read

6970
04:22:06,149 --> 04:22:04,800
about their stories

6971
04:22:08,710 --> 04:22:06,159
ahead of time

6972
04:22:11,269 --> 04:22:08,720
but how different is it for you when you

6973
04:22:13,590 --> 04:22:11,279
actually meet the person face to face

6974
04:22:15,910 --> 04:22:13,600
and hear that story from their mouth

6975
04:22:18,870 --> 04:22:15,920
it's a hell of a lot different i mean i

6976
04:22:20,790 --> 04:22:18,880
get emails on a daily basis of people

6977
04:22:22,070 --> 04:22:20,800
saying they saw something or they

6978
04:22:24,229 --> 04:22:22,080
experienced something you know and the

6979
04:22:28,070 --> 04:22:24,239
email is literally like

6980
04:22:29,670 --> 04:22:28,080
20 pages long and i would love to answer

6981
04:22:31,590 --> 04:22:29,680
every email back and be like yeah i'm

6982
04:22:33,670 --> 04:22:31,600
going to look into your case but it's

6983
04:22:35,590 --> 04:22:33,680
daunting it can be very daunting when

6984
04:22:37,189 --> 04:22:35,600
you get these sort of

6985
04:22:39,910 --> 04:22:37,199
correspondence because i don't know what

6986
04:22:42,389 --> 04:22:39,920
the hell they saw i can try to help them

6987
04:22:43,990 --> 04:22:42,399
along the way but for me it did come

6988
04:22:46,550 --> 04:22:44,000
down to when i

6989
04:22:48,550 --> 04:22:46,560
decided as a quote-unquote ufo

6990
04:22:50,309 --> 04:22:48,560
journalist that i was going to go out

6991
04:22:52,469 --> 04:22:50,319
and meet these people having these

6992
04:22:54,870 --> 04:22:52,479
experiences and

6993
04:22:58,229 --> 04:22:54,880
i remember the first

6994
04:23:01,110 --> 04:22:58,239
person i met face to face i was in

6995
04:23:03,189 --> 04:23:01,120
arizona and i was in a diner and i was

6996
04:23:06,630 --> 04:23:03,199
with her and her husband and she was

6997
04:23:08,710 --> 04:23:06,640
recalling to me for the very first time

6998
04:23:09,830 --> 04:23:08,720
she told anyone about this other than

6999
04:23:12,070 --> 04:23:09,840
her husband

7000
04:23:14,229 --> 04:23:12,080
an experience she had as a child with

7001
04:23:15,630 --> 04:23:14,239
what she believes to have been some sort

7002
04:23:18,149 --> 04:23:15,640
of

7003
04:23:21,830 --> 04:23:18,159
non-human entity

7004
04:23:23,269 --> 04:23:21,840
and it traumatized her it really did and

7005
04:23:25,349 --> 04:23:23,279
i just remember

7006
04:23:27,990 --> 04:23:25,359
sitting across from her and her husband

7007
04:23:30,229 --> 04:23:28,000
and she started crying and she was

7008
04:23:33,110 --> 04:23:30,239
holding her husband's hand and she was

7009
04:23:35,510 --> 04:23:33,120
like squeezing his hand so hard she was

7010
04:23:37,750 --> 04:23:35,520
leaving like permanent indents in his

7011
04:23:40,550 --> 04:23:37,760
skin and i was just watching all these

7012
04:23:42,870 --> 04:23:40,560
little things in descriptors as she was

7013
04:23:45,030 --> 04:23:42,880
telling me this story and

7014
04:23:47,910 --> 04:23:45,040
that really impacted me it was the first

7015
04:23:50,229 --> 04:23:47,920
time i separated like reading something

7016
04:23:52,070 --> 04:23:50,239
on my computer to meeting this person

7017
04:23:54,229 --> 04:23:52,080
and hearing their story and seeing how

7018
04:23:55,990 --> 04:23:54,239
it affected her and

7019
04:23:57,429 --> 04:23:56,000
seeing her husband there with her

7020
04:23:59,830 --> 04:23:57,439
supporting her through this and being

7021
04:24:02,389 --> 04:23:59,840
like you you got this you got this and

7022
04:24:04,950 --> 04:24:02,399
the fact that i was the first person she

7023
04:24:06,950 --> 04:24:04,960
ever told this to and she told me that

7024
04:24:09,990 --> 04:24:06,960
she trusted me with her story that's a

7025
04:24:12,149 --> 04:24:10,000
big responsibility because if i'm going

7026
04:24:14,630 --> 04:24:12,159
to go on the record with this story

7027
04:24:16,389 --> 04:24:14,640
whether it's in a book form or

7028
04:24:19,429 --> 04:24:16,399
if she allowed me or gave me permission

7029
04:24:20,469 --> 04:24:19,439
to talk about it on a podcast and uses

7030
04:24:22,550 --> 04:24:20,479
her name

7031
04:24:25,030 --> 04:24:22,560
there's no turning back from there she

7032
04:24:26,790 --> 04:24:25,040
has kids she has family she has a

7033
04:24:29,590 --> 04:24:26,800
community she lives in

7034
04:24:32,710 --> 04:24:29,600
everyone is going to know about this now

7035
04:24:34,070 --> 04:24:32,720
so that really struck me too is

7036
04:24:36,070 --> 04:24:34,080
it's not

7037
04:24:37,670 --> 04:24:36,080
easy for people to come forward and talk

7038
04:24:40,469 --> 04:24:37,680
about these things that you hear at

7039
04:24:42,790 --> 04:24:40,479
alien con it is so easy for some people

7040
04:24:44,229 --> 04:24:42,800
but not for most people and i don't

7041
04:24:45,990 --> 04:24:44,239
think a lot of people really take into

7042
04:24:47,910 --> 04:24:46,000
consideration what happens after you

7043
04:24:49,349 --> 04:24:47,920
come out with that like you look at

7044
04:24:50,149 --> 04:24:49,359
travis walton

7045
04:24:55,590 --> 04:24:50,159
the

7046
04:24:57,429 --> 04:24:55,600
anyone who claims to have been

7047
04:24:58,389 --> 04:24:57,439
abducted by aliens

7048
04:25:03,670 --> 04:24:58,399
maybe

7049
04:25:05,429 --> 04:25:03,680
after that like everyone's gonna judge

7050
04:25:06,870 --> 04:25:05,439
you after that so you really have to

7051
04:25:09,269 --> 04:25:06,880
think about like the conviction you have

7052
04:25:10,630 --> 04:25:09,279
coming forward um why you're coming

7053
04:25:13,189 --> 04:25:10,640
forward and for a lot of people it's

7054
04:25:15,349 --> 04:25:13,199
just closure just telling somebody um

7055
04:25:17,269 --> 04:25:15,359
they don't want you to judge them

7056
04:25:19,429 --> 04:25:17,279
i don't judge anyone i speak to i think

7057
04:25:21,910 --> 04:25:19,439
every story has some sort of value when

7058
04:25:24,229 --> 04:25:21,920
it comes to our investigations and

7059
04:25:25,830 --> 04:25:24,239
it's not easy it never gets easier right

7060
04:25:28,870 --> 04:25:25,840
and on sunday

7061
04:25:31,269 --> 04:25:28,880
when we do our recording of the unknown

7062
04:25:33,429 --> 04:25:31,279
podcast we'll specifically be talking

7063
04:25:34,389 --> 04:25:33,439
about that ridicule factor that you

7064
04:25:36,550 --> 04:25:34,399
mentioned

7065
04:25:38,309 --> 04:25:36,560
and just the stigma that still surrounds

7066
04:25:41,429 --> 04:25:38,319
the ufo topic

7067
04:25:43,750 --> 04:25:41,439
and speaking specifically about

7068
04:25:45,830 --> 04:25:43,760
witness testimony now think about all

7069
04:25:48,469 --> 04:25:45,840
the stories that we don't hear

7070
04:25:50,870 --> 04:25:48,479
because of that ridicule factor of

7071
04:25:53,269 --> 04:25:50,880
people not feeling comfortable to share

7072
04:25:55,910 --> 04:25:53,279
those stories yeah i mean we know one of

7073
04:25:58,070 --> 04:25:55,920
our heroes the late stanton friedman a

7074
04:25:59,110 --> 04:25:58,080
nuclear physicist who studied ufos his

7075
04:26:00,229 --> 04:25:59,120
entire

7076
04:26:01,990 --> 04:26:00,239
career

7077
04:26:04,070 --> 04:26:02,000
he used to go on the lecture circuit

7078
04:26:05,910 --> 04:26:04,080
he's he's lectured in every continent

7079
04:26:08,630 --> 04:26:05,920
country you can think of every one of

7080
04:26:09,830 --> 04:26:08,640
his lectures he starts with um

7081
04:26:12,870 --> 04:26:09,840
how many people in the audience have

7082
04:26:14,550 --> 04:26:12,880
seen a ufo and like 95 of the people

7083
04:26:16,630 --> 04:26:14,560
would raise their hand it's

7084
04:26:19,030 --> 04:26:16,640
they saw something and then he would ask

7085
04:26:22,309 --> 04:26:19,040
how many people reported it and maybe

7086
04:26:23,910 --> 04:26:22,319
two hands would go up so that's

7087
04:26:26,070 --> 04:26:23,920
95

7088
04:26:27,349 --> 04:26:26,080
or somewhat people who

7089
04:26:29,990 --> 04:26:27,359
aren't willing to come forward and

7090
04:26:33,670 --> 04:26:30,000
report what they saw well i love using

7091
04:26:35,349 --> 04:26:33,680
myself as an example too because like i

7092
04:26:37,349 --> 04:26:35,359
think i've seen probably probably about

7093
04:26:38,630 --> 04:26:37,359
12 ufos at this point

7094
04:26:41,670 --> 04:26:38,640
and

7095
04:26:45,429 --> 04:26:41,680
i'm in this field this is what i do how

7096
04:26:47,910 --> 04:26:45,439
many of those 12 have i ever reported

7097
04:26:49,830 --> 04:26:47,920
so i mean yeah it just shows you there's

7098
04:26:51,349 --> 04:26:49,840
so many out there that aren't reported

7099
04:26:53,269 --> 04:26:51,359
aren't discussed at all

7100
04:26:55,349 --> 04:26:53,279
well and another thing too is a lot of

7101
04:26:56,710 --> 04:26:55,359
people ask us you know

7102
04:26:58,870 --> 04:26:56,720
skeptics or

7103
04:27:00,710 --> 04:26:58,880
people who just want answers will ask us

7104
04:27:02,630 --> 04:27:00,720
all these people are having ufo

7105
04:27:05,110 --> 04:27:02,640
sightings or claimed abduction

7106
04:27:07,990 --> 04:27:05,120
experiences or close encounters why is

7107
04:27:09,269 --> 04:27:08,000
no one taking photos of this like where

7108
04:27:12,870 --> 04:27:09,279
where's the evidence where's the

7109
04:27:15,429 --> 04:27:12,880
evidence and honestly like we don't have

7110
04:27:17,269 --> 04:27:15,439
an answer for that there should be more

7111
04:27:19,670 --> 04:27:17,279
photos out there of these things

7112
04:27:21,910 --> 04:27:19,680
happening but at the end of the day i

7113
04:27:23,590 --> 04:27:21,920
don't know about you but when i was 12

7114
04:27:25,110 --> 04:27:23,600
years old and i was staring up at

7115
04:27:27,750 --> 04:27:25,120
whatever the hell that thing was in the

7116
04:27:29,510 --> 04:27:27,760
sky that i saw i wasn't thinking about

7117
04:27:32,070 --> 04:27:29,520
going and getting a camera and taking

7118
04:27:33,750 --> 04:27:32,080
photos these things are very

7119
04:27:37,750 --> 04:27:33,760
very personal

7120
04:27:39,990 --> 04:27:37,760
and for me i was alone on that dock and

7121
04:27:41,990 --> 04:27:40,000
this was happening just for me and i

7122
04:27:44,469 --> 04:27:42,000
wanted to experience that besides being

7123
04:27:47,030 --> 04:27:44,479
scared shitless i i wanted to experience

7124
04:27:49,429 --> 04:27:47,040
that myself and i you don't think about

7125
04:27:52,790 --> 04:27:49,439
like oh i need to document this to bring

7126
04:27:54,389 --> 04:27:52,800
it to to somebody to look at yeah and i

7127
04:27:55,750 --> 04:27:54,399
feel i have to go back to the phoenix

7128
04:27:58,469 --> 04:27:55,760
lights because i did mention that i

7129
04:28:00,550 --> 04:27:58,479
recorded it on video but i then have to

7130
04:28:02,790 --> 04:28:00,560
say that i think that was recorded over

7131
04:28:03,510 --> 04:28:02,800
by one of my brother's soccer games

7132
04:28:06,630 --> 04:28:03,520
so

7133
04:28:08,710 --> 04:28:06,640
yeah that video doesn't exist but

7134
04:28:10,870 --> 04:28:08,720
you know to your point about photo and

7135
04:28:12,870 --> 04:28:10,880
video there's certainly a lot lots and

7136
04:28:15,030 --> 04:28:12,880
lots and lots of of photo and video we

7137
04:28:16,469 --> 04:28:15,040
know that and in fact when we come to

7138
04:28:18,870 --> 04:28:16,479
events like this lots of people share

7139
04:28:20,870 --> 04:28:18,880
their photos and videos with us um and

7140
04:28:22,309 --> 04:28:20,880
we see you know hundreds

7141
04:28:23,990 --> 04:28:22,319
of these photos and videos shared with

7142
04:28:26,309 --> 04:28:24,000
us throughout the years or throughout

7143
04:28:29,429 --> 04:28:26,319
the year but

7144
04:28:31,189 --> 04:28:29,439
that really i think emphasizes the point

7145
04:28:33,189 --> 04:28:31,199
of this episode and that is the power of

7146
04:28:34,469 --> 04:28:33,199
witness testimony right because again it

7147
04:28:37,110 --> 04:28:34,479
comes back to

7148
04:28:39,189 --> 04:28:37,120
yeah a photo can be really fascinating

7149
04:28:41,910 --> 04:28:39,199
it can look cool it can look you know

7150
04:28:45,110 --> 04:28:41,920
very clear it can look bizarre whatever

7151
04:28:47,510 --> 04:28:45,120
but it's still a photo or video and

7152
04:28:51,910 --> 04:28:47,520
they can be

7153
04:28:54,389 --> 04:28:51,920
hoaxed doesn't mean that they are they

7154
04:28:56,389 --> 04:28:54,399
also can be just misidentifications but

7155
04:28:58,389 --> 04:28:56,399
really it's still just a photo or video

7156
04:29:00,309 --> 04:28:58,399
i think when it comes down to it witness

7157
04:29:02,469 --> 04:29:00,319
testimony to me

7158
04:29:04,950 --> 04:29:02,479
is a lot more valuable than a photo or

7159
04:29:07,030 --> 04:29:04,960
video i think so but we also have to

7160
04:29:09,110 --> 04:29:07,040
play devil's advocate too and remember

7161
04:29:11,670 --> 04:29:09,120
that um a lot of these events happen to

7162
04:29:15,189 --> 04:29:11,680
people 20 30 years exactly

7163
04:29:17,590 --> 04:29:15,199
memory is not perfect and i know

7164
04:29:19,670 --> 04:29:17,600
for me there are very specific things i

7165
04:29:22,149 --> 04:29:19,680
remember about that night and things i

7166
04:29:24,630 --> 04:29:22,159
don't remember at all i don't know when

7167
04:29:26,870 --> 04:29:24,640
you saw the phoenix lights i mean for

7168
04:29:28,790 --> 04:29:26,880
you was it as clear as day could you say

7169
04:29:31,189 --> 04:29:28,800
how high this thing was how big it was

7170
04:29:33,429 --> 04:29:31,199
absolutely not yeah absolutely not i

7171
04:29:35,349 --> 04:29:33,439
mean it was a tremendous

7172
04:29:37,670 --> 04:29:35,359
event in my life for sure i remember i

7173
04:29:39,189 --> 04:29:37,680
remember how you know fascinated i was

7174
04:29:41,269 --> 04:29:39,199
how exciting it was

7175
04:29:44,309 --> 04:29:41,279
how just bewildered i was what i was

7176
04:29:46,710 --> 04:29:44,319
seeing but i always try to preface it

7177
04:29:48,070 --> 04:29:46,720
when i tell that story that we're

7178
04:29:49,590 --> 04:29:48,080
talking about something that happened in

7179
04:29:51,750 --> 04:29:49,600
1997.

7180
04:29:54,149 --> 04:29:51,760
i'm not going to pretend that i know

7181
04:29:56,550 --> 04:29:54,159
that i remember every little detail i

7182
04:29:58,790 --> 04:29:56,560
don't even clearly remember seeing seven

7183
04:30:00,469 --> 04:29:58,800
lights just after telling the story so

7184
04:30:03,349 --> 04:30:00,479
many times and thinking back that that's

7185
04:30:04,630 --> 04:30:03,359
what i see in my mind but could it have

7186
04:30:06,790 --> 04:30:04,640
been more could have been less

7187
04:30:07,910 --> 04:30:06,800
absolutely i'm not going to state with

7188
04:30:09,590 --> 04:30:07,920
certainty

7189
04:30:11,269 --> 04:30:09,600
you know the details that happen i'm

7190
04:30:13,269 --> 04:30:11,279
going to say i'm pretty sure this

7191
04:30:15,750 --> 04:30:13,279
happened or this is how i remember it

7192
04:30:16,870 --> 04:30:15,760
but i know how fallible memory is so you

7193
04:30:18,630 --> 04:30:16,880
have to keep that in mind with these

7194
04:30:20,389 --> 04:30:18,640
cases that you know you're talking about

7195
04:30:22,790 --> 04:30:20,399
things that happened so long ago i mean

7196
04:30:23,910 --> 04:30:22,800
i know we went in and got a drink last

7197
04:30:25,910 --> 04:30:23,920
night and had dinner i don't remember

7198
04:30:26,830 --> 04:30:25,920
what i got for dinner so

7199
04:30:28,630 --> 04:30:26,840
i don't

7200
04:30:30,389 --> 04:30:28,640
remember

7201
04:30:32,790 --> 04:30:30,399
details for something that happened back

7202
04:30:34,710 --> 04:30:32,800
in 1997. yeah yeah it's fascinating and

7203
04:30:36,790 --> 04:30:34,720
i think it really brings a human element

7204
04:30:38,870 --> 04:30:36,800
to all this as well as perception i

7205
04:30:42,070 --> 04:30:38,880
spoke to a woman in michigan

7206
04:30:44,389 --> 04:30:42,080
who had a triangular ufo sighting over

7207
04:30:46,389 --> 04:30:44,399
her house and she went out to walk her

7208
04:30:48,149 --> 04:30:46,399
dogs dogs would not go off the porch

7209
04:30:50,149 --> 04:30:48,159
that night they'd never done anything

7210
04:30:52,630 --> 04:30:50,159
like that before clearly she thought

7211
04:30:54,790 --> 04:30:52,640
there was something out there so

7212
04:30:56,710 --> 04:30:54,800
she walks down to the lawn she's looking

7213
04:30:59,030 --> 04:30:56,720
around there's nothing the dog still

7214
04:31:00,950 --> 04:30:59,040
won't leave the porch and they start

7215
04:31:03,349 --> 04:31:00,960
barking and

7216
04:31:06,550 --> 04:31:03,359
they're barking like up like barking

7217
04:31:08,630 --> 04:31:06,560
upwards and so she looks up and she sees

7218
04:31:09,590 --> 04:31:08,640
this massive triangular thing over her

7219
04:31:12,630 --> 04:31:09,600
house

7220
04:31:14,550 --> 04:31:12,640
and she's just staring up at it and then

7221
04:31:16,149 --> 04:31:14,560
she screams for her daughter to come out

7222
04:31:18,550 --> 04:31:16,159
and look at this thing with her like am

7223
04:31:20,870 --> 04:31:18,560
i crazy are you seeing this her daughter

7224
04:31:22,149 --> 04:31:20,880
comes out they're both now staring up at

7225
04:31:23,110 --> 04:31:22,159
this triangle

7226
04:31:26,630 --> 04:31:23,120
and

7227
04:31:29,670 --> 04:31:26,640
the mom is telling her daughter like oh

7228
04:31:31,429 --> 04:31:29,680
my god it's so silent it's beautiful

7229
04:31:33,349 --> 04:31:31,439
like do you feel that i like i almost

7230
04:31:35,349 --> 04:31:33,359
feel euphoric and she looks over at her

7231
04:31:37,269 --> 04:31:35,359
daughter and her daughter's covering her

7232
04:31:40,630 --> 04:31:37,279
ears and be like i can't hear you it's

7233
04:31:42,309 --> 04:31:40,640
so loud and her daughter felt like

7234
04:31:44,630 --> 04:31:42,319
immediate threat from whatever was up

7235
04:31:46,710 --> 04:31:44,640
there so perception plays a key role too

7236
04:31:47,990 --> 04:31:46,720
i think these people these mother and

7237
04:31:49,990 --> 04:31:48,000
daughter they were looking at the same

7238
04:31:52,389 --> 04:31:50,000
exact thing but having completely

7239
04:31:54,710 --> 04:31:52,399
different experiences in that moment

7240
04:31:56,309 --> 04:31:54,720
and that really fascinated me you

7241
04:31:58,790 --> 04:31:56,319
mentioned dogs

7242
04:32:01,830 --> 04:31:58,800
and i've got to say man like witness

7243
04:32:03,429 --> 04:32:01,840
testimony one day when we can actually

7244
04:32:07,189 --> 04:32:03,439
talk to dogs

7245
04:32:09,910 --> 04:32:07,199
because there are so many ufo sighting

7246
04:32:11,750 --> 04:32:09,920
stories that involve dogs you know

7247
04:32:13,189 --> 04:32:11,760
people were alerted by their dogs about

7248
04:32:15,429 --> 04:32:13,199
something in the sky

7249
04:32:17,030 --> 04:32:15,439
or they actually are the reason for a

7250
04:32:18,389 --> 04:32:17,040
lot of sightings too because a lot of

7251
04:32:20,070 --> 04:32:18,399
sightings reported are people when

7252
04:32:21,189 --> 04:32:20,080
they're out walking their dogs you know

7253
04:32:22,710 --> 04:32:21,199
that's when you're out looking at the

7254
04:32:24,389 --> 04:32:22,720
skies so

7255
04:32:25,830 --> 04:32:24,399
i think dogs have a lot to say about

7256
04:32:27,590 --> 04:32:25,840
safe dogs

7257
04:32:30,550 --> 04:32:27,600
i love dogs anyway so

7258
04:32:33,030 --> 04:32:30,560
well i want to maybe talk to any of you

7259
04:32:34,870 --> 04:32:33,040
guys out there um we're sort of on the

7260
04:32:37,590 --> 04:32:34,880
second half here and we did want to open

7261
04:32:39,830 --> 04:32:37,600
up open it up to anyone if you feel

7262
04:32:43,110 --> 04:32:39,840
comfortable sharing something with us up

7263
04:32:44,710 --> 04:32:43,120
here um whether it's like a ufo sighting

7264
04:32:46,870 --> 04:32:44,720
please feel free to come up to the mic

7265
04:32:49,349 --> 04:32:46,880
otherwise we'll just we'll keep

7266
04:32:51,830 --> 04:32:49,359
we'll keep talking um but yeah yeah

7267
04:32:53,990 --> 04:32:51,840
you're in a safe place and um no one's

7268
04:32:55,590 --> 04:32:54,000
here to judge you so yeah if you'd like

7269
04:32:57,189 --> 04:32:55,600
please feel free to come up yeah you

7270
04:32:59,189 --> 04:32:57,199
come up to the microphone form a line if

7271
04:33:00,149 --> 04:32:59,199
somebody's there and we'll we'll get to

7272
04:33:02,469 --> 04:33:00,159
you

7273
04:33:04,070 --> 04:33:02,479
i want to mention that i brought up on

7274
04:33:06,150 --> 04:33:04,080
sunday how we're going to be doing a

7275
04:33:07,429 --> 04:33:06,160
live recording of another ufo podcast

7276
04:33:08,310 --> 04:33:07,439
called unknown

7277
04:33:12,390 --> 04:33:08,320
and

7278
04:33:15,109 --> 04:33:12,400
people are uncomfortable sharing their

7279
04:33:17,590 --> 04:33:15,119
stories and during that recording i'm

7280
04:33:21,029 --> 04:33:17,600
going to for the first time play a

7281
04:33:23,590 --> 04:33:21,039
recording that i have of a

7282
04:33:26,390 --> 04:33:23,600
college professor at one of the largest

7283
04:33:28,709 --> 04:33:26,400
public universities in the country who i

7284
04:33:31,510 --> 04:33:28,719
happen to be doing an interview with on

7285
04:33:33,510 --> 04:33:31,520
something totally not related to ufos

7286
04:33:34,230 --> 04:33:33,520
and he happened to

7287
04:33:37,269 --> 04:33:34,240
see

7288
04:33:39,670 --> 04:33:37,279
my book i wrote a book about ufos and

7289
04:33:41,109 --> 04:33:39,680
that book was was on my desk he happened

7290
04:33:41,910 --> 04:33:41,119
to notice it out of the corner of his

7291
04:33:42,789 --> 04:33:41,920
eye

7292
04:33:45,429 --> 04:33:42,799
and

7293
04:33:46,949 --> 04:33:45,439
he had to ask me about it he said so

7294
04:33:48,551 --> 04:33:46,959
i see that book what is that and i

7295
04:33:50,230 --> 04:33:48,561
explained to him that you know this is

7296
04:33:52,869 --> 04:33:50,240
something i've done for more than a

7297
04:33:54,789 --> 04:33:52,879
decade and wrote a book on it been on tv

7298
04:33:55,830 --> 04:33:54,799
talked about ufos all the time

7299
04:33:58,470 --> 04:33:55,840
and

7300
04:33:59,990 --> 04:33:58,480
when he had that little intro he knew

7301
04:34:01,910 --> 04:34:00,000
the gate was open

7302
04:34:04,070 --> 04:34:01,920
then he just chimed in

7303
04:34:05,830 --> 04:34:04,080
well i've seen a ufo

7304
04:34:08,310 --> 04:34:05,840
oh that's great

7305
04:34:10,070 --> 04:34:08,320
and so he started telling me his story

7306
04:34:11,670 --> 04:34:10,080
and i had because i had him set up for

7307
04:34:12,789 --> 04:34:11,680
for an interview i was recording the

7308
04:34:14,789 --> 04:34:12,799
whole time

7309
04:34:16,629 --> 04:34:14,799
and it was a fascinating

7310
04:34:17,510 --> 04:34:16,639
fascinating sighting that i can't wait

7311
04:34:19,029 --> 04:34:17,520
for you to hear because you haven't

7312
04:34:22,230 --> 04:34:19,039
heard this either

7313
04:34:23,990 --> 04:34:22,240
and it's a fascinating story from a

7314
04:34:26,310 --> 04:34:24,000
college professor

7315
04:34:27,750 --> 04:34:26,320
and after and when i remembered that i'd

7316
04:34:29,349 --> 04:34:27,760
been recorded this recording this whole

7317
04:34:32,390 --> 04:34:29,359
thing and i wanted to use that on the

7318
04:34:34,470 --> 04:34:32,400
podcast i asked him if it was okay if i

7319
04:34:36,230 --> 04:34:34,480
use that in my podcast

7320
04:34:37,830 --> 04:34:36,240
and he thought about it for a bit and he

7321
04:34:40,949 --> 04:34:37,840
said

7322
04:34:43,510 --> 04:34:40,959
yes that'll be fine but

7323
04:34:46,551 --> 04:34:43,520
don't use my name yeah don't say where i

7324
04:34:48,070 --> 04:34:46,561
work yep because he didn't want people

7325
04:34:50,470 --> 04:34:48,080
being able to figure out that it was him

7326
04:34:53,510 --> 04:34:50,480
telling this story and this is he's

7327
04:34:55,029 --> 04:34:53,520
actually uh retired now so an emeritus

7328
04:34:57,750 --> 04:34:55,039
professor

7329
04:35:00,390 --> 04:34:57,760
at a major university what does he care

7330
04:35:03,029 --> 04:35:00,400
you know his career is essentially over

7331
04:35:04,869 --> 04:35:03,039
he's retired and you know certainly

7332
04:35:06,949 --> 04:35:04,879
tenured faculty they're not worried all

7333
04:35:08,150 --> 04:35:06,959
that much about their jobs they can kind

7334
04:35:09,750 --> 04:35:08,160
of do their own research talk about

7335
04:35:12,310 --> 04:35:09,760
whatever they want and they have that

7336
04:35:13,429 --> 04:35:12,320
protection but still to this day and

7337
04:35:16,150 --> 04:35:13,439
this is something that happened back in

7338
04:35:18,150 --> 04:35:16,160
the 70s i think he still

7339
04:35:20,709 --> 04:35:18,160
had never told anybody about it

7340
04:35:22,949 --> 04:35:20,719
and didn't want his name revealed having

7341
04:35:24,390 --> 04:35:22,959
shared this story so you know the

7342
04:35:26,230 --> 04:35:24,400
ridicule factor is strong and people

7343
04:35:27,750 --> 04:35:26,240
still feel that and feel the hesitation

7344
04:35:30,230 --> 04:35:27,760
when sharing that story and certainly

7345
04:35:31,269 --> 04:35:30,240
publicly it's not easy i can't tell you

7346
04:35:34,310 --> 04:35:31,279
like

7347
04:35:37,429 --> 04:35:34,320
how many second dates i lost in my time

7348
04:35:39,189 --> 04:35:37,439
bringing up ufos or um that i study this

7349
04:35:42,629 --> 04:35:39,199
sort of thing but that's another amazing

7350
04:35:45,189 --> 04:35:42,639
thing about alien con is because this is

7351
04:35:47,349 --> 04:35:45,199
like a perfect environment for talking

7352
04:35:49,510 --> 04:35:47,359
about these topics like nothing is weird

7353
04:35:51,990 --> 04:35:49,520
or off limits here like you're among

7354
04:35:54,230 --> 04:35:52,000
like fellow weirdos in the best way

7355
04:35:55,750 --> 04:35:54,240
like this stuff is not weird this is our

7356
04:35:57,269 --> 04:35:55,760
live and we love talking about it and

7357
04:35:58,949 --> 04:35:57,279
sharing stories and that's the best

7358
04:36:01,269 --> 04:35:58,959
thing for me about this entire weekend

7359
04:36:03,910 --> 04:36:01,279
is just having that ability to talk to

7360
04:36:05,750 --> 04:36:03,920
people and listen to people because a

7361
04:36:06,709 --> 04:36:05,760
lot of people i know who come to this

7362
04:36:08,230 --> 04:36:06,719
event

7363
04:36:10,150 --> 04:36:08,240
they've never talked about this subject

7364
04:36:12,230 --> 04:36:10,160
before or they don't have anybody in

7365
04:36:14,470 --> 04:36:12,240
their personal lives who they can talk

7366
04:36:16,709 --> 04:36:14,480
about this stuff with so this is just a

7367
04:36:17,750 --> 04:36:16,719
fantastic weekend for that i love it

7368
04:36:21,029 --> 04:36:17,760
yeah

7369
04:36:26,470 --> 04:36:24,949
hi hi hi do i introduce myself uh if you

7370
04:36:27,830 --> 04:36:26,480
want you don't have to okay

7371
04:36:29,590 --> 04:36:27,840
i'm jane

7372
04:36:31,109 --> 04:36:29,600
um i

7373
04:36:33,590 --> 04:36:31,119
i think i might have mentioned this

7374
04:36:35,830 --> 04:36:33,600
story to some people before but it's

7375
04:36:38,470 --> 04:36:35,840
kind of mysterious to me because it

7376
04:36:40,470 --> 04:36:38,480
doesn't quite fit that

7377
04:36:42,230 --> 04:36:40,480
mold of i saw you know a thing in the

7378
04:36:43,670 --> 04:36:42,240
sky but i mean

7379
04:36:45,510 --> 04:36:43,680
it feels

7380
04:36:47,990 --> 04:36:45,520
unidentified

7381
04:36:49,429 --> 04:36:48,000
in the sky

7382
04:36:52,150 --> 04:36:49,439
when i was

7383
04:36:54,551 --> 04:36:52,160
much younger i remember

7384
04:36:57,429 --> 04:36:54,561
waking up in the middle of the night for

7385
04:36:59,750 --> 04:36:57,439
no apparent reason and i was i think in

7386
04:37:00,709 --> 04:36:59,760
my early teens so i had no reason to

7387
04:37:02,789 --> 04:37:00,719
really be

7388
04:37:04,150 --> 04:37:02,799
waking up or insomnia or anything but i

7389
04:37:04,949 --> 04:37:04,160
woke up in the middle of the night and

7390
04:37:06,470 --> 04:37:04,959
it was

7391
04:37:09,029 --> 04:37:06,480
maybe 3 am

7392
04:37:10,310 --> 04:37:09,039
and i remember going to my window

7393
04:37:12,070 --> 04:37:10,320
again

7394
04:37:13,830 --> 04:37:12,080
don't have any reason why it was just

7395
04:37:16,070 --> 04:37:13,840
this kind of thing that i was doing

7396
04:37:18,390 --> 04:37:16,080
almost on autopilot but i remember going

7397
04:37:20,629 --> 04:37:18,400
to my window and looking out

7398
04:37:21,510 --> 04:37:20,639
and there was there was a road below

7399
04:37:23,429 --> 04:37:21,520
and

7400
04:37:26,470 --> 04:37:23,439
absolutely nothing was going on on it it

7401
04:37:27,670 --> 04:37:26,480
was totally quiet

7402
04:37:30,150 --> 04:37:27,680
and then

7403
04:37:31,109 --> 04:37:30,160
after looking out the window for a split

7404
04:37:33,830 --> 04:37:31,119
second

7405
04:37:35,510 --> 04:37:33,840
the entire sky that i could see

7406
04:37:37,269 --> 04:37:35,520
went red

7407
04:37:39,830 --> 04:37:37,279
and it was the kind of red that you

7408
04:37:42,470 --> 04:37:39,840
would see if a car if it puts on the

7409
04:37:45,429 --> 04:37:42,480
brake lights that red sort of

7410
04:37:47,029 --> 04:37:45,439
glowing red but there was the entire sky

7411
04:37:50,629 --> 04:37:47,039
and

7412
04:37:53,429 --> 04:37:50,639
huh

7413
04:37:55,750 --> 04:37:53,439
like what's going on i thought a car was

7414
04:37:57,670 --> 04:37:55,760
pulling out but it just it the whole sky

7415
04:38:00,390 --> 04:37:57,680
was sort of stained that color

7416
04:38:02,470 --> 04:38:00,400
and it stayed that way for about i'm

7417
04:38:05,269 --> 04:38:02,480
going to say 10 seconds long enough that

7418
04:38:07,590 --> 04:38:05,279
i was kind of processing every sort of

7419
04:38:10,390 --> 04:38:07,600
thing it could be and then kind of just

7420
04:38:13,349 --> 04:38:10,400
staring baffled and then

7421
04:38:16,869 --> 04:38:13,359
you know without any sort of fanfare it

7422
04:38:18,230 --> 04:38:16,879
just went back to normal

7423
04:38:20,709 --> 04:38:18,240
and it's something i think about from

7424
04:38:22,070 --> 04:38:20,719
time to time because

7425
04:38:23,830 --> 04:38:22,080
there's no

7426
04:38:25,830 --> 04:38:23,840
good ending to that story it was just

7427
04:38:26,709 --> 04:38:25,840
this weird phenomenon that happened and

7428
04:38:28,789 --> 04:38:26,719
then

7429
04:38:29,750 --> 04:38:28,799
it never happened again

7430
04:38:33,510 --> 04:38:29,760
yeah

7431
04:38:36,629 --> 04:38:33,520
really good point there's no end to the

7432
04:38:39,269 --> 04:38:36,639
story there never is like sometimes yeah

7433
04:38:42,470 --> 04:38:39,279
usually yeah like these things happen

7434
04:38:44,390 --> 04:38:42,480
there's no explanation and um you search

7435
04:38:46,789 --> 04:38:44,400
for answers to it for the rest of your

7436
04:38:49,269 --> 04:38:46,799
life usually which is frustrating in

7437
04:38:51,109 --> 04:38:49,279
some aspects lots of frustration lots of

7438
04:38:53,189 --> 04:38:51,119
head scratching a lot of head scratching

7439
04:38:55,750 --> 04:38:53,199
yeah and like when people come to me to

7440
04:38:57,830 --> 04:38:55,760
tell me their story i try to tell them

7441
04:38:59,590 --> 04:38:57,840
i'm not going to solve this mystery for

7442
04:39:01,510 --> 04:38:59,600
you but i'm going to listen i'm going to

7443
04:39:04,470 --> 04:39:01,520
ask you some questions and let's just

7444
04:39:07,510 --> 04:39:04,480
talk about it because we're not experts

7445
04:39:08,629 --> 04:39:07,520
we're you know we are ufo researchers

7446
04:39:11,510 --> 04:39:08,639
but we're in

7447
04:39:13,990 --> 04:39:11,520
no way ufo experts we don't know what is

7448
04:39:16,789 --> 04:39:14,000
going on out there we

7449
04:39:19,269 --> 04:39:16,799
we try to bring theories forward um we

7450
04:39:21,189 --> 04:39:19,279
try to bring testimony forward but yeah

7451
04:39:23,429 --> 04:39:21,199
at the end of the day like no one no one

7452
04:39:26,230 --> 04:39:23,439
knows what's really going on so

7453
04:39:28,789 --> 04:39:26,240
whatever that was whatever phenomena

7454
04:39:30,629 --> 04:39:28,799
like happened that night

7455
04:39:32,949 --> 04:39:30,639
you might be asking yourself what it is

7456
04:39:35,269 --> 04:39:32,959
for the rest of your life

7457
04:39:37,189 --> 04:39:35,279
sorry that's frustrating

7458
04:39:39,990 --> 04:39:37,199
thank you for sharing jane appreciate it

7459
04:39:41,510 --> 04:39:40,000
so another thing with witness testimony

7460
04:39:45,510 --> 04:39:41,520
the power of that and how that helps

7461
04:39:47,750 --> 04:39:45,520
with ufo research and investigations is

7462
04:39:49,750 --> 04:39:47,760
we have that testimony and that brings

7463
04:39:51,990 --> 04:39:49,760
in the data that you mentioned you know

7464
04:39:55,270 --> 04:39:52,000
looking at commonalities between

7465
04:39:58,070 --> 04:39:55,280
sightings different shapes and behaviors

7466
04:39:59,990 --> 04:39:58,080
and knowing those commonly reported

7467
04:40:03,350 --> 04:40:00,000
shapes and behaviors of these objects in

7468
04:40:05,670 --> 04:40:03,360
the sky really help investigators when

7469
04:40:07,830 --> 04:40:05,680
they're talking to witnesses or

7470
04:40:10,788 --> 04:40:07,840
investigating particular

7471
04:40:12,230 --> 04:40:10,798
incidents because they have these

7472
04:40:14,788 --> 04:40:12,240
sort of boxes they can go through and

7473
04:40:16,390 --> 04:40:14,798
check and and categorize these things to

7474
04:40:18,390 --> 04:40:16,400
help us better keep track

7475
04:40:20,070 --> 04:40:18,400
of those objects and it's interesting if

7476
04:40:22,470 --> 04:40:20,080
you've been watching

7477
04:40:23,510 --> 04:40:22,480
unidentified on on the history channel

7478
04:40:25,430 --> 04:40:23,520
or

7479
04:40:27,990 --> 04:40:25,440
reading really any mainstream media

7480
04:40:30,230 --> 04:40:28,000
outlet the past year and a half you know

7481
04:40:32,390 --> 04:40:30,240
one of the big stories right now is the

7482
04:40:33,670 --> 04:40:32,400
tic tac ufo and i think because it's

7483
04:40:35,590 --> 04:40:33,680
just such a

7484
04:40:37,430 --> 04:40:35,600
silly thing to say tic tac so i think

7485
04:40:38,948 --> 04:40:37,440
the media likes to use that even though

7486
04:40:41,190 --> 04:40:38,958
most of the time they'll show the gimbal

7487
04:40:42,550 --> 04:40:41,200
video instead of tic tac yeah because

7488
04:40:44,070 --> 04:40:42,560
the gimbal video is more exciting

7489
04:40:46,310 --> 04:40:44,080
because you have the pilots go whoa dude

7490
04:40:48,788 --> 04:40:46,320
what's that yeah like bleep is it yeah

7491
04:40:51,510 --> 04:40:48,798
that's fun but it's usually the gimbal

7492
04:40:52,788 --> 04:40:51,520
video with a tic tac but tic tac

7493
04:40:53,670 --> 04:40:52,798
you know that's a description of the

7494
04:40:55,270 --> 04:40:53,680
shape

7495
04:40:57,830 --> 04:40:55,280
of a ufo

7496
04:40:59,590 --> 04:40:57,840
and that's relatively new thanks to that

7497
04:41:01,430 --> 04:40:59,600
video but

7498
04:41:04,310 --> 04:41:01,440
those long

7499
04:41:06,310 --> 04:41:04,320
elongated ufos you know have gone by by

7500
04:41:08,150 --> 04:41:06,320
many names over the years you know for

7501
04:41:10,310 --> 04:41:08,160
the longest time we heard a lot about

7502
04:41:12,868 --> 04:41:10,320
cigar-shaped ufos but we have you know

7503
04:41:15,350 --> 04:41:12,878
rectangle ufos and different things like

7504
04:41:16,948 --> 04:41:15,360
that so it's good to you know sort of

7505
04:41:18,868 --> 04:41:16,958
come up with a standard and that's i

7506
04:41:21,830 --> 04:41:18,878
think a challenge that investigators

7507
04:41:23,750 --> 04:41:21,840
have trying to determine if

7508
04:41:26,868 --> 04:41:23,760
when somebody says a tic tac is that the

7509
04:41:28,390 --> 04:41:26,878
same thing as a cigar right you know and

7510
04:41:30,788 --> 04:41:28,400
certainly one makes your breath smell

7511
04:41:32,390 --> 04:41:30,798
better than others right yeah but

7512
04:41:34,310 --> 04:41:32,400
but uh you know you've got these things

7513
04:41:37,030 --> 04:41:34,320
trying to make investigation easier and

7514
04:41:38,788 --> 04:41:37,040
make that data more consistent and it's

7515
04:41:41,190 --> 04:41:38,798
challenging because those ufo

7516
04:41:43,510 --> 04:41:41,200
descriptions have changed over the years

7517
04:41:45,430 --> 04:41:43,520
when perhaps the ufos might not have you

7518
04:41:47,910 --> 04:41:45,440
know necessarily i

7519
04:41:49,270 --> 04:41:47,920
as a ufo journalist i always loved

7520
04:41:52,310 --> 04:41:49,280
especially

7521
04:41:54,310 --> 04:41:52,320
reading accounts from the uk and hearing

7522
04:41:57,830 --> 04:41:54,320
some of the things they would describe

7523
04:42:00,390 --> 04:41:57,840
their their ufos at ufos as they had uh

7524
04:42:02,868 --> 04:42:00,400
remember the the dudley dorito yeah this

7525
04:42:05,750 --> 04:42:02,878
triangle-shaped ufo that is regularly

7526
04:42:07,830 --> 04:42:05,760
seen over there they called it a dorito

7527
04:42:09,750 --> 04:42:07,840
it's shaped like a dorito we're also

7528
04:42:11,350 --> 04:42:09,760
hamburger-shaped ufos that was one of my

7529
04:42:12,788 --> 04:42:11,360
favorites but there have been some

7530
04:42:14,470 --> 04:42:12,798
interesting

7531
04:42:15,910 --> 04:42:14,480
descriptions for ufo shapes over the

7532
04:42:18,470 --> 04:42:15,920
years and we get that from witness

7533
04:42:21,030 --> 04:42:18,480
testimony yeah yeah it's no longer just

7534
04:42:23,350 --> 04:42:21,040
saucers like people are seeing just the

7535
04:42:26,550 --> 04:42:23,360
weirdest things out there how's it going

7536
04:42:28,708 --> 04:42:26,560
hey hello thank you uh my name is juan

7537
04:42:32,150 --> 04:42:28,718
hey i think it was about three four

7538
04:42:33,350 --> 04:42:32,160
years ago uh well let me just preface it

7539
04:42:36,150 --> 04:42:33,360
uh you know i was always interested in

7540
04:42:37,910 --> 04:42:36,160
aliens as a kid

7541
04:42:40,070 --> 04:42:37,920
i think i was just regular fascinated

7542
04:42:42,070 --> 04:42:40,080
like same thing with sci-fi you know

7543
04:42:45,350 --> 04:42:42,080
movies you know regular yeah pop culture

7544
04:42:46,230 --> 04:42:45,360
stuff it was about three to four summers

7545
04:42:47,990 --> 04:42:46,240
ago

7546
04:42:49,590 --> 04:42:48,000
uh it was the weekend right before

7547
04:42:51,350 --> 04:42:49,600
fourth of july so i guess you could look

7548
04:42:53,430 --> 04:42:51,360
it up on the calendar which whichever

7549
04:42:55,590 --> 04:42:53,440
day fourth of july landed on monday it

7550
04:42:57,670 --> 04:42:55,600
was that summer um

7551
04:42:59,910 --> 04:42:57,680
i live in los angeles just outside of

7552
04:43:00,948 --> 04:42:59,920
just right in east delhi

7553
04:43:03,350 --> 04:43:00,958
um

7554
04:43:04,868 --> 04:43:03,360
it was a saturday afternoon so i had to

7555
04:43:06,628 --> 04:43:04,878
run some errands

7556
04:43:08,948 --> 04:43:06,638
um it was

7557
04:43:10,788 --> 04:43:08,958
it was midday it was around noon so i

7558
04:43:12,948 --> 04:43:10,798
remember when i jumped in my car because

7559
04:43:15,350 --> 04:43:12,958
i saw something on the freeway

7560
04:43:18,150 --> 04:43:15,360
it was around 12 15. so right in the

7561
04:43:20,390 --> 04:43:18,160
middle of the day it was really sunny

7562
04:43:23,430 --> 04:43:20,400
my mind wasn't on seeing anything in the

7563
04:43:26,310 --> 04:43:23,440
sky my mind wasn't on anything out of

7564
04:43:29,750 --> 04:43:26,320
the ordinary i was just in a rush to do

7565
04:43:31,270 --> 04:43:29,760
my errands and to come to come back home

7566
04:43:32,788 --> 04:43:31,280
so i jump on the freeway and i'm not

7567
04:43:34,628 --> 04:43:32,798
sure if anybody around here is familiar

7568
04:43:37,190 --> 04:43:34,638
but um

7569
04:43:39,910 --> 04:43:37,200
i live in el sarino so i took the 10 the

7570
04:43:42,628 --> 04:43:39,920
10 east so i'm traveling past all

7571
04:43:44,230 --> 04:43:42,638
hamburg going toward like san diego

7572
04:43:45,190 --> 04:43:44,240
in that area

7573
04:43:47,110 --> 04:43:45,200
so

7574
04:43:48,628 --> 04:43:47,120
once i jumped on the freeway

7575
04:43:49,910 --> 04:43:48,638
there was some traffic which i usually

7576
04:43:50,788 --> 04:43:49,920
anticipated

7577
04:43:52,628 --> 04:43:50,798
um

7578
04:43:54,470 --> 04:43:52,638
i can't i drive a sports car so i'm kind

7579
04:43:55,750 --> 04:43:54,480
of like my routine goes i'm gonna get on

7580
04:43:57,670 --> 04:43:55,760
with fast lane

7581
04:43:58,830 --> 04:43:57,680
outrun everybody again i'm trying to

7582
04:44:01,590 --> 04:43:58,840
come home

7583
04:44:03,590 --> 04:44:01,600
quick so i do that

7584
04:44:05,590 --> 04:44:03,600
i i travel maybe about a quarter of a

7585
04:44:07,030 --> 04:44:05,600
mile before i notice because there's a

7586
04:44:09,270 --> 04:44:07,040
straightaway at that point on the 10th

7587
04:44:11,030 --> 04:44:09,280
freeway but there's a bright light kind

7588
04:44:12,788 --> 04:44:11,040
of like shining toward me so you know i

7589
04:44:14,868 --> 04:44:12,798
didn't think anything again i'm looking

7590
04:44:17,270 --> 04:44:14,878
at the traffic i'm trying to get where

7591
04:44:18,948 --> 04:44:17,280
i'm going i realize as i'm approaching

7592
04:44:21,190 --> 04:44:18,958
the light i'm kind of driving toward it

7593
04:44:22,788 --> 04:44:21,200
so that was weird so i'm thinking well

7594
04:44:24,868 --> 04:44:22,798
you know there's a train on the side

7595
04:44:25,990 --> 04:44:24,878
maybe there's a train coming or i don't

7596
04:44:28,070 --> 04:44:26,000
know what

7597
04:44:29,190 --> 04:44:28,080
so again i'm kind of driving a little

7598
04:44:30,708 --> 04:44:29,200
quickly

7599
04:44:32,470 --> 04:44:30,718
so i'm approaching the light and i

7600
04:44:34,708 --> 04:44:32,480
realize that the lights not

7601
04:44:36,708 --> 04:44:34,718
traveling away it's actually stationary

7602
04:44:37,910 --> 04:44:36,718
and i'm approaching it

7603
04:44:39,590 --> 04:44:37,920
so

7604
04:44:41,430 --> 04:44:39,600
as i got closer that's when it started

7605
04:44:43,190 --> 04:44:41,440
to get really really confusing because

7606
04:44:45,670 --> 04:44:43,200
all the cars around me it seemed i think

7607
04:44:47,990 --> 04:44:45,680
they had to see it as well because i

7608
04:44:49,510 --> 04:44:48,000
found myself that i was the only one

7609
04:44:50,310 --> 04:44:49,520
that was i think everybody started to

7610
04:44:51,990 --> 04:44:50,320
break

7611
04:44:54,230 --> 04:44:52,000
and at this point when i was approaching

7612
04:44:55,750 --> 04:44:54,240
i let my foot off the gas so i was

7613
04:44:58,470 --> 04:44:55,760
letting the car momentum so i must have

7614
04:45:00,708 --> 04:44:58,480
been going maybe about 40 miles an hour

7615
04:45:01,670 --> 04:45:00,718
so when i was approaching what i saw i

7616
04:45:05,830 --> 04:45:01,680
was

7617
04:45:06,628 --> 04:45:05,840
about at least 100 feet behind me maybe

7618
04:45:08,150 --> 04:45:06,638
more

7619
04:45:09,270 --> 04:45:08,160
because i think they were also alarmed

7620
04:45:11,670 --> 04:45:09,280
also

7621
04:45:13,350 --> 04:45:11,680
so in essence what i'm saying is that i

7622
04:45:15,270 --> 04:45:13,360
saw a light on the freeway in broad

7623
04:45:17,510 --> 04:45:15,280
daylight during the summer time

7624
04:45:19,750 --> 04:45:17,520
and as i approached it i saw a light at

7625
04:45:22,550 --> 04:45:19,760
least a mile away so it was a bright

7626
04:45:24,310 --> 04:45:22,560
almost led white color

7627
04:45:25,670 --> 04:45:24,320
so as i approached i started to see a

7628
04:45:28,070 --> 04:45:25,680
shape of what was

7629
04:45:30,070 --> 04:45:28,080
giving off this light and it was kind of

7630
04:45:31,910 --> 04:45:30,080
scary at first because i i didn't know

7631
04:45:33,030 --> 04:45:31,920
what it was i i wasn't expecting

7632
04:45:34,948 --> 04:45:33,040
anything

7633
04:45:37,430 --> 04:45:34,958
i was like was this a helicopter is it a

7634
04:45:39,110 --> 04:45:37,440
train is it a car they got turned around

7635
04:45:40,550 --> 04:45:39,120
i'm you know my mind's going a little

7636
04:45:41,430 --> 04:45:40,560
quickly i'm like what could this be do i

7637
04:45:43,990 --> 04:45:41,440
have to

7638
04:45:46,550 --> 04:45:44,000
you know swerve out of the way uh no it

7639
04:45:49,430 --> 04:45:46,560
was it was just there so as i approached

7640
04:45:51,910 --> 04:45:49,440
what i what i could describe was

7641
04:45:52,948 --> 04:45:51,920
it was this it was spherical so it was

7642
04:45:54,868 --> 04:45:52,958
circular

7643
04:45:57,110 --> 04:45:54,878
uh it was the size of like let's say an

7644
04:45:58,150 --> 04:45:57,120
nba regulation basketball so it wasn't

7645
04:46:00,150 --> 04:45:58,160
that big

7646
04:46:02,230 --> 04:46:00,160
it was silver in color

7647
04:46:04,550 --> 04:46:02,240
there were no dents i didn't see any

7648
04:46:07,270 --> 04:46:04,560
rivets i didn't see any uh

7649
04:46:09,270 --> 04:46:07,280
so it looked smooth like a ball bearing

7650
04:46:11,430 --> 04:46:09,280
except as i was approaching it

7651
04:46:13,670 --> 04:46:11,440
the face of this ball bearing was flat

7652
04:46:14,788 --> 04:46:13,680
and that's what was emitting this light

7653
04:46:17,030 --> 04:46:14,798
now

7654
04:46:18,788 --> 04:46:17,040
just given what i was professionally

7655
04:46:21,350 --> 04:46:18,798
doing at the time i had some experience

7656
04:46:23,670 --> 04:46:21,360
with light bulbs 100 watt light bulbs

7657
04:46:25,430 --> 04:46:23,680
uh things of that nature so that also

7658
04:46:28,150 --> 04:46:25,440
kind of caught my attention because i've

7659
04:46:29,670 --> 04:46:28,160
been around like large wattage bulbs and

7660
04:46:31,990 --> 04:46:29,680
whether you have protective goggles or

7661
04:46:34,230 --> 04:46:32,000
not you could see the outline of a bulb

7662
04:46:36,310 --> 04:46:34,240
or a shape and or it may you know kind

7663
04:46:39,190 --> 04:46:36,320
of have you wince

7664
04:46:41,110 --> 04:46:39,200
that also surprised me as i approached

7665
04:46:43,110 --> 04:46:41,120
i didn't wince away so a light that i

7666
04:46:45,110 --> 04:46:43,120
could see a mile away in broad daylight

7667
04:46:46,868 --> 04:46:45,120
as i got closer i didn't have to look

7668
04:46:48,788 --> 04:46:46,878
away it didn't hurt me

7669
04:46:50,470 --> 04:46:48,798
so again i tried to get as many details

7670
04:46:52,550 --> 04:46:50,480
as i could as the momentum of the car

7671
04:46:55,030 --> 04:46:52,560
was passing i'm looking at this thing so

7672
04:46:56,310 --> 04:46:55,040
i could see this the size how smooth it

7673
04:46:58,230 --> 04:46:56,320
was

7674
04:47:00,470 --> 04:46:58,240
another thing that really well two

7675
04:47:02,788 --> 04:47:00,480
things that really also uh as i was

7676
04:47:05,030 --> 04:47:02,798
approaching i'm like this isn't normal

7677
04:47:07,270 --> 04:47:05,040
how low it was on the freeway you know i

7678
04:47:09,590 --> 04:47:07,280
drive i drive a dodge challenger so it's

7679
04:47:11,270 --> 04:47:09,600
kind of like a low car this object was

7680
04:47:13,590 --> 04:47:11,280
floating in the freeway so low that if

7681
04:47:15,110 --> 04:47:13,600
it was like an 18-wheeler 18-wheeler it

7682
04:47:16,628 --> 04:47:15,120
would have hit the windshield

7683
04:47:18,628 --> 04:47:16,638
so again that was like well that's if

7684
04:47:20,788 --> 04:47:18,638
this is a drone that's really

7685
04:47:23,190 --> 04:47:20,798
on the freeway really low

7686
04:47:26,070 --> 04:47:23,200
and also the movement it kind of moved

7687
04:47:28,070 --> 04:47:26,080
like um like a like a birthday balloon

7688
04:47:30,390 --> 04:47:28,080
that's tethered to a chair and if

7689
04:47:31,590 --> 04:47:30,400
somebody walks by so basically it was

7690
04:47:33,430 --> 04:47:31,600
kind of just like

7691
04:47:35,590 --> 04:47:33,440
it was like moving like this

7692
04:47:38,628 --> 04:47:35,600
very slowly and you know if their cars

7693
04:47:41,110 --> 04:47:38,638
were going it it seemed unaffected

7694
04:47:43,110 --> 04:47:41,120
so as i drove underneath it

7695
04:47:44,788 --> 04:47:43,120
i have like a sunroof so i hit the light

7696
04:47:47,190 --> 04:47:44,798
i hit the sunroof so i could look

7697
04:47:49,910 --> 04:47:47,200
underneath to see if i could see fans or

7698
04:47:51,510 --> 04:47:49,920
vapor or anything and there was nothing

7699
04:47:53,030 --> 04:47:51,520
so it was really strange so as soon as i

7700
04:47:53,990 --> 04:47:53,040
saw that i immediately thought like this

7701
04:47:55,190 --> 04:47:54,000
is really

7702
04:47:57,670 --> 04:47:55,200
you know something i've never really

7703
04:47:58,948 --> 04:47:57,680
seen before i really wasn't sure if it's

7704
04:48:01,190 --> 04:47:58,958
something i should pull over and

7705
04:48:03,750 --> 04:48:01,200
investigate and things like that so when

7706
04:48:06,628 --> 04:48:03,760
it occurred my immediate reaction was

7707
04:48:08,868 --> 04:48:06,638
i've never seen anything like this

7708
04:48:10,868 --> 04:48:08,878
the size and how it moved and all of

7709
04:48:13,350 --> 04:48:10,878
that i was like this if it was

7710
04:48:14,628 --> 04:48:13,360
somebody's possession like their drone

7711
04:48:16,788 --> 04:48:14,638
i would describe it that it looked

7712
04:48:18,948 --> 04:48:16,798
really really expensive

7713
04:48:20,550 --> 04:48:18,958
and it looked really really brand new

7714
04:48:22,470 --> 04:48:20,560
because again it was smooth it wasn't

7715
04:48:23,830 --> 04:48:22,480
dented it wasn't discolored

7716
04:48:26,310 --> 04:48:23,840
uh it was

7717
04:48:28,628 --> 04:48:26,320
it looked perfect looking

7718
04:48:30,070 --> 04:48:28,638
so afterward when i drove by it i was

7719
04:48:32,390 --> 04:48:30,080
like should i pull over should i not so

7720
04:48:34,788 --> 04:48:32,400
i continued on the 10 freeway i finished

7721
04:48:35,830 --> 04:48:34,798
my uh my errands which took about 30

7722
04:48:37,350 --> 04:48:35,840
minutes

7723
04:48:38,628 --> 04:48:37,360
and i remember when i got to the store

7724
04:48:40,070 --> 04:48:38,638
to do my errands that's when it really

7725
04:48:41,190 --> 04:48:40,080
started to sink in like this is really

7726
04:48:42,628 --> 04:48:41,200
strange

7727
04:48:44,788 --> 04:48:42,638
so then i was like well should i tell

7728
04:48:46,070 --> 04:48:44,798
the the person that works there you know

7729
04:48:47,510 --> 04:48:46,080
whatever i don't want to seem like a

7730
04:48:49,590 --> 04:48:47,520
crazy person

7731
04:48:51,430 --> 04:48:49,600
but uh yeah it was really strange so

7732
04:48:53,510 --> 04:48:51,440
after that i think for about a week

7733
04:48:55,270 --> 04:48:53,520
maybe about a week i googled to see if

7734
04:48:57,830 --> 04:48:55,280
anybody else mentioned

7735
04:49:00,628 --> 04:48:57,840
drones on the tent freeway in alhambra

7736
04:49:03,110 --> 04:49:00,638
or monterey park or whatever and nothing

7737
04:49:04,788 --> 04:49:03,120
and still like you know casually when i

7738
04:49:06,230 --> 04:49:04,798
watch tv if ever that whenever they

7739
04:49:07,830 --> 04:49:06,240
mention drones

7740
04:49:11,030 --> 04:49:07,840
and i see like spherical ones they're

7741
04:49:13,030 --> 04:49:11,040
made of pvc or really really uh thin

7742
04:49:14,948 --> 04:49:13,040
plastic it's just that it seemed really

7743
04:49:16,150 --> 04:49:14,958
weird that it moved like a balloon but

7744
04:49:17,990 --> 04:49:16,160
it looked like if you were to hold it

7745
04:49:19,670 --> 04:49:18,000
looked heavy yeah it would be heavy

7746
04:49:22,628 --> 04:49:19,680
because it looks it looks metallic and

7747
04:49:24,310 --> 04:49:22,638
metal yeah but yeah and because of how

7748
04:49:26,628 --> 04:49:24,320
low it was you would have

7749
04:49:28,788 --> 04:49:26,638
probably noticed if it it it was

7750
04:49:30,628 --> 04:49:28,798
tethered right oh yeah i mean i drove

7751
04:49:32,150 --> 04:49:30,638
and i drove right underneath it again

7752
04:49:33,430 --> 04:49:32,160
and i wanted to see if there was a vapor

7753
04:49:35,110 --> 04:49:33,440
trail i wanted to see if there was

7754
04:49:37,350 --> 04:49:35,120
exhaust fan i just wanted to see what

7755
04:49:39,670 --> 04:49:37,360
was actually you know propping it up or

7756
04:49:42,708 --> 04:49:39,680
whatever and it was there was nothing

7757
04:49:44,550 --> 04:49:42,718
and also when i drove past it

7758
04:49:46,708 --> 04:49:44,560
i i didn't my foot wasn't on the gas i

7759
04:49:48,150 --> 04:49:46,718
looked in my rearview mirror just to see

7760
04:49:49,830 --> 04:49:48,160
what the reflection was and it kind of

7761
04:49:51,350 --> 04:49:49,840
like blended in i really couldn't see it

7762
04:49:53,270 --> 04:49:51,360
afterward in my room remember once it

7763
04:49:55,590 --> 04:49:53,280
passed which which again i was like am i

7764
04:49:57,190 --> 04:49:55,600
crazy like did i just see that like or

7765
04:49:59,510 --> 04:49:57,200
whatever but yeah

7766
04:50:01,750 --> 04:49:59,520
dude you're like the perfect witness

7767
04:50:03,510 --> 04:50:01,760
first of all oh yeah like you checked

7768
04:50:05,510 --> 04:50:03,520
everything off the boxes as it was

7769
04:50:07,670 --> 04:50:05,520
happening which a lot of people can't do

7770
04:50:09,590 --> 04:50:07,680
yeah which was weird too i mean what

7771
04:50:11,510 --> 04:50:09,600
freaked me out at the time again it

7772
04:50:13,190 --> 04:50:11,520
wasn't that i was beyond thinking that

7773
04:50:15,110 --> 04:50:13,200
the possibility of aliens wasn't

7774
04:50:17,030 --> 04:50:15,120
possible that's not it it's just that it

7775
04:50:18,390 --> 04:50:17,040
freaked me out because it was so close

7776
04:50:19,910 --> 04:50:18,400
to where i live and i live in the city

7777
04:50:22,390 --> 04:50:19,920
so i'm like every time i watch these

7778
04:50:23,830 --> 04:50:22,400
things it's maybe rural parts of you

7779
04:50:25,910 --> 04:50:23,840
know wherever

7780
04:50:28,150 --> 04:50:25,920
or by the beach or something but i'm not

7781
04:50:29,990 --> 04:50:28,160
close to east not not off the freeway

7782
04:50:31,830 --> 04:50:30,000
where i drive all the time yeah and not

7783
04:50:34,070 --> 04:50:31,840
in broad daylight

7784
04:50:36,150 --> 04:50:34,080
and how low it was so yeah right wow

7785
04:50:39,750 --> 04:50:36,160
that's fantastic thank you very much for

7786
04:50:45,910 --> 04:50:43,590
hey hi hello uh my name is annette

7787
04:50:47,110 --> 04:50:45,920
and uh it's a pleasure to meet you thank

7788
04:50:49,590 --> 04:50:47,120
you

7789
04:50:51,670 --> 04:50:49,600
uh this happened uh

7790
04:50:55,350 --> 04:50:51,680
over 30 years ago

7791
04:50:56,948 --> 04:50:55,360
and i was it's summertime

7792
04:50:58,470 --> 04:50:56,958
close to dusk

7793
04:51:00,788 --> 04:50:58,480
uh no sun

7794
04:51:03,430 --> 04:51:00,798
you know wasn't bright or anything

7795
04:51:04,948 --> 04:51:03,440
and uh we were leaving

7796
04:51:05,830 --> 04:51:04,958
my home

7797
04:51:07,030 --> 04:51:05,840
and

7798
04:51:10,230 --> 04:51:07,040
as i

7799
04:51:11,750 --> 04:51:10,240
was getting into the car i put my one

7800
04:51:13,910 --> 04:51:11,760
you know one leg

7801
04:51:15,830 --> 04:51:13,920
into the car like this and i just looked

7802
04:51:19,030 --> 04:51:15,840
over my shoulder

7803
04:51:22,070 --> 04:51:19,040
and over the freeway because we lived

7804
04:51:24,868 --> 04:51:22,080
close to the freeway there were seven

7805
04:51:28,470 --> 04:51:24,878
objects crafts they weren't objects

7806
04:51:31,670 --> 04:51:28,480
there was seven crabs one in the front

7807
04:51:34,628 --> 04:51:31,680
two behind two behind too high

7808
04:51:37,110 --> 04:51:34,638
and i just stood there and

7809
04:51:40,070 --> 04:51:37,120
looked at it and then i

7810
04:51:41,270 --> 04:51:40,080
do you see this

7811
04:51:42,788 --> 04:51:41,280
and

7812
04:51:45,030 --> 04:51:42,798
yeah

7813
04:51:49,190 --> 04:51:45,040
and we didn't say anything we just

7814
04:51:51,910 --> 04:51:49,200
looked and i got into the car

7815
04:51:54,830 --> 04:51:51,920
and we started driving and the crash

7816
04:52:01,350 --> 04:51:58,708
and we just drove slowly along and they

7817
04:52:04,550 --> 04:52:01,360
drove slowly along

7818
04:52:06,868 --> 04:52:04,560
and then they took off they managed

7819
04:52:07,910 --> 04:52:06,878
and we didn't talk about it

7820
04:52:12,150 --> 04:52:07,920
yeah

7821
04:52:13,270 --> 04:52:12,160
that's very common i i know a lot of

7822
04:52:15,190 --> 04:52:13,280
people who

7823
04:52:16,948 --> 04:52:15,200
were in the same car with someone saw

7824
04:52:17,910 --> 04:52:16,958
something and

7825
04:52:20,070 --> 04:52:17,920
they

7826
04:52:22,868 --> 04:52:20,080
witnessed it and then it was never

7827
04:52:25,590 --> 04:52:22,878
spoken of again it wasn't just a quick

7828
04:52:29,190 --> 04:52:25,600
flash like this you know just oh

7829
04:52:31,590 --> 04:52:29,200
no this happened and i know what i saw

7830
04:52:33,990 --> 04:52:31,600
yeah yeah and so

7831
04:52:36,550 --> 04:52:34,000
but uh and i've talked about it you know

7832
04:52:38,310 --> 04:52:36,560
sometime over the years later but at

7833
04:52:39,350 --> 04:52:38,320
that particular time we didn't talk

7834
04:52:41,110 --> 04:52:39,360
about

7835
04:52:42,868 --> 04:52:41,120
do you remember what

7836
04:52:45,830 --> 04:52:42,878
the objects looked like at all if i

7837
04:52:47,910 --> 04:52:45,840
could ask dark okay

7838
04:52:52,230 --> 04:52:47,920
dark

7839
04:52:53,750 --> 04:52:52,240
you know how the stealth

7840
04:52:54,708 --> 04:52:53,760
uh aircraft

7841
04:52:57,830 --> 04:52:54,718
look

7842
04:52:59,190 --> 04:52:57,840
not exactly like not like that okay

7843
04:53:01,990 --> 04:52:59,200
because i don't even know if that

7844
04:53:05,430 --> 04:53:02,000
technology and seven of them seven in a

7845
04:53:07,430 --> 04:53:05,440
v formation yeah yeah yeah no not at the

7846
04:53:09,830 --> 04:53:07,440
end and you know they have to stealth

7847
04:53:12,470 --> 04:53:09,840
vomits but they i don't know how many

7848
04:53:13,510 --> 04:53:12,480
they have but no and he's just sat there

7849
04:53:15,750 --> 04:53:13,520
it was

7850
04:53:18,070 --> 04:53:15,760
similar little shape yeah

7851
04:53:19,750 --> 04:53:18,080
wow something like that

7852
04:53:22,150 --> 04:53:19,760
thank you thank you very much for

7853
04:53:24,550 --> 04:53:22,160
sharing that thank you

7854
04:53:25,910 --> 04:53:24,560
oh yeah what do we got all right

7855
04:53:27,270 --> 04:53:25,920
i think that's going to be it for us

7856
04:53:29,030 --> 04:53:27,280
guys um

7857
04:53:31,190 --> 04:53:29,040
this is not your last chance to share

7858
04:53:33,350 --> 04:53:31,200
your stories tomorrow actually jason and

7859
04:53:34,390 --> 04:53:33,360
i are going to be doing an

7860
04:53:37,190 --> 04:53:34,400
or session

7861
04:53:39,990 --> 04:53:37,200
where you can come and talk amongst a

7862
04:53:41,190 --> 04:53:40,000
group of supportive people to tell your

7863
04:53:42,550 --> 04:53:41,200
stories

7864
04:53:44,550 --> 04:53:42,560
no matter what it is what happened to

7865
04:53:46,948 --> 04:53:44,560
you it doesn't have to be just ufos if

7866
04:53:48,628 --> 04:53:46,958
you've had a strange

7867
04:53:50,070 --> 04:53:48,638
paranormal experience

7868
04:53:52,550 --> 04:53:50,080
anything we want to hear about it and

7869
04:53:54,788 --> 04:53:52,560
obviously we love hearing those stories

7870
04:53:56,628 --> 04:53:54,798
on our podcast but that will be your

7871
04:53:59,910 --> 04:53:56,638
time to share the stories and they won't

7872
04:54:01,670 --> 04:53:59,920
be shared yeah yeah absolutely so um if

7873
04:54:04,230 --> 04:54:01,680
you don't come to that you can find us

7874
04:54:05,350 --> 04:54:04,240
here all weekend reach out to us

7875
04:54:07,190 --> 04:54:05,360
again

7876
04:54:10,070 --> 04:54:07,200
the more people that tell stories the

7877
04:54:12,390 --> 04:54:10,080
more we normalize this topic and bring

7878
04:54:15,270 --> 04:54:12,400
it to the mainstream to be like stuff's

7879
04:54:16,550 --> 04:54:15,280
going on we gotta talk about this so i

7880
04:54:18,470 --> 04:54:16,560
want to thank you for coming to this

7881
04:54:20,788 --> 04:54:18,480
today for those who share their stories

7882
04:54:22,708 --> 04:54:20,798
and for joining me on this live

7883
04:54:28,210 --> 04:54:22,718
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7884
04:54:50,320 --> 04:54:48,390
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7885
04:55:10,550 --> 04:54:50,330
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7886
04:55:14,550 --> 04:55:12,470
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7887
04:55:16,470 --> 04:55:14,560
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7888
04:55:17,070 --> 04:55:16,480
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7889
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7890
04:55:21,350 --> 04:55:18,798
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7891
04:55:24,628 --> 04:55:21,360
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7892
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7893
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7895
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7896
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7897
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7898
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7899
04:55:41,670 --> 04:55:39,600
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7900
04:55:43,990 --> 04:55:41,680
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7902
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7903
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7906
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7907
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